Detroit, the new Amsterdam?

[rwh11385]

People might go there like they do Vegas but I dont see it turning the tide of the population decline. People just dont want to live in Detroit. There is a lot of other crime going on besides those and with no real industry (whores and weed will create some jobs but nothing like viable industry) and nothing to do beyond pay for sex and get high they wont stay.

If you're going to Detroit for a Vegas-like experience, why not just go to Windsor?

Don't see this helping much besides reducing crime. What is gonna be the cost of weed after you factor in the plane ticket?

And rumble / dirt does not compare to trees and canals, and tall beautiful people.

[ck_taft325is]

If you're going to Detroit for a Vegas-like experience, why not just go to Windsor?

Don't see this helping much besides reducing crime. What is gonna be the cost of weed after you factor in the plane ticket?

And rumble / dirt does not compare to trees and canals, and tall beautiful people.

I'm not sure if you make everything legal it actually reduces crime. Just the enforcement of it... ?

[blefevre]

WOW young people will not flock to detroit. Take it from someone who has fled from that area (I grew up and hour and 45min for detroit and live most of my life about and hour from detroit) NO ONE wants to live in or near that shit hole. Most everything that was good in detroit industry wise has left as well, if they stayed in MI they went to Grand Rapids, or even Kalamazoo, that and Fieger is an idiot.

That sums it up. My entire family grew up there, I was there a while. It really has no hope anymore. I am glad most of my family is out of there.

[german g]

nothing to do beyond pay for sex and get high .

Im in...

[Pudmunkie]

WOW young people will not flock to detroit. Take it from someone who has fled from that area (I grew up and hour and 45min for detroit and live most of my life about and hour from detroit) NO ONE wants to live in or near that shit hole. Most everything that was good in detroit industry wise has left as well, if they stayed in MI they went to Grand Rapids, or even Kalamazoo, that and Fieger is an idiot.

You grew up no where near Detroit. I grew up in Ann Arbor/Ypsi but I don't try to pretend. Hell my friends in Taylor/Westland don't even pretend to be 'from the area'.

There is actually a (albeit small) revival of younger white kids moving down to Detroit, a couple guys (mid 20's) I work with just moved down to be close to the bars and everything; and these are guys that wear suits and sit in cubes!

I would love to see a revival, the city has some real history. I think I'll always have a soft spot for it.

[mrsleeve]

You grew up no where near Detroit. I grew up in Ann Arbor/Ypsi but I don't try to pretend. Hell my friends in Taylor/Westland don't even pretend to be 'from the area'.

There is actually a (albeit small) revival of younger white kids moving down to Detroit, a couple guys (mid 20's) I work with just moved down to be close to the bars and everything; and these are guys that wear suits and sit in cubes!

I would love to see a revival, the city has some real history. I think I'll always have a soft spot for it.

Your right I stayed away from that shit hole. Not trying to pretend anything. I have spent lots of time in Detroit used to do quite a bit of work in that town right down town. I think I have a good idea what its like down there. The Area, as in geographical where the shit happening to Detroit was pulling down the rest of the state, and has been for as long as I have been alive.

Oh and there is a reason my grandparents left Detroit in the fucking early 40's. They saw it coming then, and so did many many others.

[Pudmunkie]

Sorry, your comment "fled from that area" seemed to indicate you considered yourself a Detroit-er. I'm not debating the bad shit that is/has happening/happened to Detroit, just stating that there is currently a small revival. To shut the book on the city already would be a shame.

But what do I know? Ann Arbor is so sheltered from the reality of the greater metro area. Home values, job loss, things tend to remain stable instead of following the rest of the area trends. A successful Detroit is just something I think would be cool to see, but part of that is the history buff in me.

[blefevre]

My family is from 12/13 mile. Ugh.

[kronus]

I was being much more general than that. I don't believe opening up the MJ trade will bring the people. Or strip clubs and the like. Just create normal jobs where people can do well and the city will come back.

You've been saying "well they should just create some jobs!" a lot lately. How do you envision that process working?

[mrsleeve]

But what do I know? Ann Arbor is so sheltered from the reality of the greater metro area. Home values, job loss, things tend to remain stable instead of following the rest of the area trends. A successful Detroit is just something I think would be cool to see, but part of that is the history buff in me.

Yes A2 is very very sheltered. I lived a long time west of you about 25mins, just over the county line west of Chelsea and a few miles north of 94.

Detroit is one of the finest examples of racial politics at their finest, with the most clear cut results its just staging, that no one really gets or sees that. Since the 40's there has been a "white Flight" form the city, really took off after the riots in 67. Think it was mayor Young that refered to the the white people moving back into the city in the mid to late 70s as the Invaders from the north and vowed to push them back north of 8 mile in a campaign speech. Which he did with income and property taxes.

There have been many attempts to revitalize the city, and all have been met with huge taxes, fees, red tape, and all kinds of other shit road blocks. Back in the mid 80's a group of wealth guys tried to revamp Central station and had many up scale offices (like a world trade center of the mid west) and had shit starting going good. Until the mayor and the city counsel, raised the taxes and basically tried to extort huge amounts of money outta the venture, really before it got off the ground, so they packed up and went else where.

F1 gave the city plenty of notice to get bele isle up too snuff of they were gonna lose their race, well you know the city said ok fine dont come back.

Its just a huge mess all around and I really dont think it will every come back, as the city has been pushing out all the business to the burbs or else where, and now the state is doing much the same thing. Really look at your last Mayor, the City Counsel, and the US Reps for detroit, just more of the same spawn form the last 60's mentality, this is why it WILL never come back, I really hate to think of detroit losing it s Motor City Status but I think that title is mostly more symbolic than anything anymore. I am a car guy and MI native so I do have a soft spot for Detroit in that regard, but I never plan to return other than for a visit to family.

[joshh]

You've been saying "well they should just create some jobs!" a lot lately. How do you envision that process working?

Stop sabotaging this economy? The housing market bubble, killing jobs in the Gulf, having some of the highest corporate tax in the world, all the money wasted on illegals they allow to stay in the States, their infatuation with spending, politicians feeling they have to pass laws to feel like they are helping, way too many Subsidies, giving one part of this society benefits others don't have, giving one race benefits other races don't have, creating laws that make employers hire less qualified personnel, kissing the ass of corporations that give money to politicians, three wars, making it very hard for a small company to be created et al.

[Fusion]

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Show me some interesting sites.

[Pudmunkie]

Yes A2 is very very sheltered. I lived a long time west of you about 25mins, just over the county line west of Chelsea and a few miles north of 94.

Detroit is one of the finest examples of racial politics at their finest, with the most clear cut results its just staging, that no one really gets or sees that. Since the 40's there has been a "white Flight" form the city, really took off after the riots in 67. Think it was mayor Young that refered to the the white people moving back into the city in the mid to late 70s as the Invaders from the north and vowed to push them back north of 8 mile in a campaign speech. Which he did with income and property taxes.

There have been many attempts to revitalize the city, and all have been met with huge taxes, fees, red tape, and all kinds of other shit road blocks. Back in the mid 80's a group of wealth guys tried to revamp Central station and had many up scale offices (like a world trade center of the mid west) and had shit starting going good. Until the mayor and the city counsel, raised the taxes and basically tried to extort huge amounts of money outta the venture, really before it got off the ground, so they packed up and went else where.

F1 gave the city plenty of notice to get bele isle up too snuff of they were gonna lose their race, well you know the city said ok fine dont come back.

Its just a huge mess all around and I really dont think it will every come back, as the city has been pushing out all the business to the burbs or else where, and now the state is doing much the same thing. Really look at your last Mayor, the City Counsel, and the US Reps for detroit, just more of the same spawn form the last 60's mentality, this is why it WILL never come back, I really hate to think of detroit losing it s Motor City Status but I think that title is mostly more symbolic than anything anymore. I am a car guy and MI native so I do have a soft spot for Detroit in that regard, but I never plan to return other than for a visit to family.

You may be right, but we can hope for something positive!

Sent from the Breastuary on Mt. Nippleopolis

[BillBrasky]

I'm just laughing at some of the naiveness in this thread of the complexities in the challenges that face rust belt economies.

[ReallyDirtyThirty]

I lived/worked in the Detroit area for 2+ years before I moved down to Richmond. While the city proper itself is pretty damn deserted (trying driving up Jefferson Ave. sometime...) there are still some very cool spots here and there, they're just very spread out.

I personally lived in Royal Oak (11 mile and Main) and worked a in poorer area (Mound and 8 mile Road). But even working the 4-midnight shift at Mound and 8 mile I never for a full year had a problem getting to the interstate and getting home. Granted there are spots you stay away from (drive to Woodward and 6 mile if you want to lose your life) but only a dumbass looking to get robbed would do that. I recognize I'm upper middle class and I'm going to stick out in those areas so I just stay away. I can't say a negative thing about where I lived in Royal Oak. It was a vibrant community with great nightlife and I never felt unsafe (the Royal Oak PD is great). Detroit gets a lot of unfair press. There is still plenty of things that suck about it, but I can say that because I've lived/worked there.