Why do Americans still dislike Atheists?

[CorvallisBMW]

^^ But he lost respect for me because of my Faith. That sounds pretty intolerant to me.

No, I lost faith in you because instead of answering a serious question you simply spouted the traditional 'he is God and is Perfect even in murder' crap. To call murder perfect is the most demonstrable thing I've ever heard.

Sorry, but I have a real problem with people who try to justify abhorrent and deplorable actions simply because of 'faith'.

He ninja edited a lot of his feelings about anyone of Faith out of that.

I didn't ninja edit shit. Check for yourself.

[scabzzzz]

Farbin ninja edits too ;)

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[CorvallisBMW]

Farbin ninja edits too ;)

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p.s. nice ninja lol

[Farbin Kaiber]

Sorry, but I have a real problem with people who try to justify abhorrent and deplorable actions simply because of 'faith'.

Would you justify bin Laden's killing on the 'faith' that he was the mastermind behind 9/11?

[CHIF8008]

Farbin- they are never going to listen to you, they have already hardened their hearts

[CorvallisBMW]

Would you justify bin Laden's killing on the 'proof' that he was the mastermind behind 9/11?

Yes, yes I would. There's no faith involved in that.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Did YOU see him ask 19 men to fly into buildings?

[CorvallisBMW]

That's the worst analogy I've heard in a long time.

I saw the video tape statement he made admitting to it. I'd call that proof-positive. What evidence do you have of a god? a 2000-year old book that's been written and re-written and translated and edited by hundreds of people? Ever played a game of telephone? that should be some indication of the accuracy of the bible.

[87e30]

That's the worst analogy I've heard in a long time.

I saw the video tape statement he made admitting to it. I'd call that proof-positive. What evidence do you have of a god? a 2000-year old book that's been written and re-written and translated and edited by hundreds of people? Ever played a game of telephone? that should be some indication of the accuracy of the bible.

There isn't exactly evidence proving that the possibility of a "God" isn't feasible too.

Just sayin', you guys aren't really going to agree here and it comes down to a personal choice. It's another debate that no one can win. surprise surprise

[NKRoberts]

That's the worst analogy I've heard in a long time.

I saw the video tape statement he made admitting to it. I'd call that proof-positive. What evidence do you have of a god? a 2000-year old book that's been written and re-written and translated and edited by hundreds of people? Ever played a game of telephone? that should be some indication of the accuracy of the bible.

I realize as a christian that the bible is flawed (ie why there are so freaking many different sects) but that isnt what i base my faith on, I have had personal experiences with God that have reassured me of what I believe, but trying to explain those to someone who hasnt had one (or clearly doesnt want to) is like trying to describe what salt tastes like to someone that has never tasted it. "It's salty?"

[scabzzzz]

Having blind faith in the United States of America is EXACTLY like having blind faith in Jesus Christ.

[Farbin Kaiber]

For me, Faith is action, based on belief, sustained by the confidence that He will do what He says. You don't care what he says, so you have no confidence in Him, so you have no reason for action. Thus, you are faithless.

[ck_taft325is]

That's the worst analogy I've heard in a long time.

I saw the video tape statement he made admitting to it. I'd call that proof-positive. What evidence do you have of a god? a 2000-year old book that's been written and re-written and translated and edited by hundreds of people? Ever played a game of telephone? that should be some indication of the accuracy of the bible.

You still haven't lost the bigot. Good stuff, here. I want you to take a look at the stance you're defending. Instead of being like, "Hey, you know what, calling someone stupid for their faith is silly of me!" You're all like, "You're stupid and here's why I think so and it has everything to do with your faith! Something I know little about but sure as hell feel entitled to sit back and criticize and demonize all I want!". Just don't be a dick about it and frankly there's no issue. You're actually defending bigotry, man. Really.

There isn't exactly evidence proving that the possibility of a "God" isn't feasible too.

Just sayin', you guys aren't really going to agree here and it comes down to a personal choice. It's another debate that no one can win. surprise surprise

True. I'm not aiming to convince anyone of God's existence. It's not my job. My job via the Bible is to love people and do my damnest to follow in Christ's foot steps. Guess what he did? A lot of hanging out at parties with prostitutes and taking care of people. GEE GOLLY, HOW STUPID OF ME.

My only aim here is to hopefully show how bigotry is bigotry at this point.

[z31maniac]

Not taken personally ;)
I've come to realize through my own experiences and most of the gripes about Christian's in general are the open hand subjects and a lot of "Christian's" taking liberties with telling everyone around them what and what not to do. It should never be, "You're having sex with your boyfriend at 13? You're going to hell!" over "You're having sex with your boyfriend at 13? You know that's dangerous and you could seriously get hurt..." etc. See what I'm saying? I hope I'm getting it across but I'm fairly tired after the long grave yard shift. This is my 9pm.

I didn't think you were, but thought it needed to be repeated.

I think you nailed it with this paragraph though. This is what it boils down to, forcing your beliefs on another group of people who don't share that belief then claiming the "moral high ground" because of a book.

hehehe... forums are so funny. ask z31maniac, im not gay at all. but i like saying homo shit. maybe im confused deep down inside? who knows. hell, maybe i snuck a handy jay in on Buddy while his wife was sleeping? WHO KNOWS

That's why I was sore in the hotel Sunday morning.

[Earendil]

The ones that invent, and dedicate their lives to the greater good of humanity generally aren't Christians. Its no coincidence for sure.

Naturally, we'd have to define "Greater good of humanity", but actually most people that devote their entire life, and make incredible self sacrifice, are people of some faith. The believe there is worth in benefiting fellow man over benefiting ones self. They believe their is inherent worth in that alone.
A very intelligent philosophically minded atheist recently told me that he would help another human, but only if one of the following were true:
1. By helping, they could benefit society more than himself
2. By helping, his own ability to benefit society was not detramented.

His guiding "moral" was for the betterment of humanity. Since there were times when he couldn't guarantee (or say that the chances were better) that he was bettering humanity due to his own "above average" ability to do so, he often times did not.

The most selfless people I know do it based on faith that there is inherent value in doing so, not on a set of logical rules. So in my own personal experience, I would say that those that serve to better humanity, are people of faith, not those trying to explain the world only using logic.

As for inventors, many of the brightest people believe there is a God. Many Philosophers come to the conclusion that a God makes sense (or that particular types of God's make sense).

I would be curious if your generalization of the scientific and humanitarian communities as not holding a faith was shot from the hip, or if you have some proof or argument for the point.

Just think, back in ancient times when they worshiped animals and shit. We look back at them and think, "What a bunch of idiots".

We do? You do realize some of the largest religions still do this, right? It's not something humanity has stopped doing as it has acquired more knowledge. I find you brutal judgement of people here to be the kind I was speaking of in the first couple posts. You don't know a ton about world religions, history, or the human psychy, yet you feel the desire to blast large segments of the population as "stupid".

It doesn't work to belittle religions for thinking less of atheists, if atheists turn around and do the exact same thing. I don't know what the average atheist believes, but most religions teach tolerance, not condemnation. Whether the followers are able to pull off such a hard feat is sadly, another issue :(

You are the controller of your own universe. If there is an afterlife, and you've been a decent/kind human being in your existence, you will reap the "Heavenly" rewards. After all, ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE YOU. Right, Christians?

I believe you are correct, that is the Christian understanding. The belief is that God actually knows the hearts and minds, intentions and disabilities that every individual faces throughout their life. The final judgement of a person will be for God to make. A God of knowing and caring, not one of rules.

Other systems of faith promote different, but rather similar things. The more I learn about different religions (that are based on a supreme being) the more I realize how poorly the follows (or the loudest ones) are at representing the core beliefs of the religion.
The bumpers ticker "Dear Lord, please save me form your followers" is a funny and also a sadly true joke.

I think everyone, including those in this forum, would do well to learn something about the major religions of the world. If one doesn't care to learn, than perhaps those that choose ignorance on a subject could stop being judgmental of other human beings until they are more educated. And while I'm sure the atheists reading there are getting their feathers ruffled because they think I'm aiming this comment at them, I'm actually aiming it more at the religious loudmouths of the world :)