Shame on the US public, Champion sportswear

[Ryann]

? Moreover, how can people claim to be religious while behaving as they have?

The answer to this simply, the "Christians" in this country behave much like the Muslim extremist who's death they are celebrating:

They neglect/ignore the teachings and texts of those they supposedly worship and instead do whatever the fuck benefits them most.

The OP makes some good points here IMO.

[Turf1600]

You really have to be fucking kidding me here. I suggest you step off that high ass horse before you fall and break your neck.

I am going to ask you 2 questions before I begin.

1: How old are you????

25

2: Where were you when you 1st saw/heard the trade centers were on fire??? (please tell me it was not in Mrs Wheller's 3rd grade class room)

I was in 10th grade honors biology with Dr. Windsor - my favorite teacher. We didn't have a TV in the class so we went to the arts building to watch. It was devastating.

As to the reasoning of why. Some times there is no moral and ethical high ground when dealing with shit bags that will sacrifice themselves and anyone else with out remorse to achieve their fucked up objectives.

1) The fucker was on record from his own mouth as being the planner of 9/11

2) Had said repeatedly he would never be taken alive.

3) associated with guys who build the shit necessary to blow them selves up. If he had a fucking robe on he was a threat to the Breech team.

4) If he even made a move that looked like it would have been for a weapon (hence the never taken alive thing) those very very amped up high strung guys with guns and lots of training that had spent the last 10 mins getting shot at were going to defend them selves.

5) If taken alive he would have been brought over here and tired and executed anyway either way he ends up dead this way was just the expedited fashion.

6) Did I mention there is not enlightened moral way to deal with people that have a 12th century mind set and willing to brutalize anyone who stands in the way of the implementation of those ideals???

7) some times the best way to fight fire is with fire you know.

8) You get sucker punched in the gut do you not retaliate with force and defend your self???

I'll fight to the death, but if my opponent dies first I won't celebrate it.

Fuck me if its true and there are many more like you that think like this, we really are a doomed society and species.

How exactly do you believe that I think? I'm not certain that you have read any of what I have written. Otherwise, once again nothing that you wrote is rational. It's all emotionally charged, vengeful sentiment. Just like I said it was. There's nothing wrong with that - but it doesn't resonate with me or override my logic.

[Turf1600]

The answer to this simply, the "Christians" in this country behave much like the Muslim extremist who's death they are celebrating:

They neglect/ignore the teachings and texts of those they supposedly worship and instead do whatever the fuck benefits them most.

Well put. I wish I had said it the same.

[Turf1600]

Really now?

Man, I'm not going to turn this into a theological argument. But, you're wrong. And if you're strongly and pronouncedly Atheist, I don't take your word on this as the theologian superior on Christianity. Sorry. Being Atheist, I would do a bit more open minded delving into Christianity so you're not a run of the mill, "I'm pissed because I feel judged by every Christian I encounter". I'd also be interested in your experiences with most Christian's. I have no doubt that it was brutally retarded as most Christian's are just that. Goes to say that most people are, right? So, why are you being one of them by using blanket statements, irrational thought and biased judgement that all, or 90% of the Country is celebrating hypocritically?

It's not a disrespect of human life. See, you say there's been no rational, logically answer to your argument or "feelings" yet you've displayed that you yourself are not being either of those. Your starting point and perspective are highly skewed as you still confuse (or wrongly believe) Justice and Vengeance. Alternately you've yet to answer any of the multitude of questions. So, I'd say Buddy nailed it. It's a big "look at how enlightened I am" thread aimed at "shaming" everyone who disagree's with YOUR perspective.

Sorry, I've been borrowing your soap box for a bit now, I'll let you get back to feeling special.

First of all, I think you may have misunderstood what I said - or I wasn't clear enough. I said that since 10% of the people in the country are atheist then I can logically assume that 90% of the people that I saw celebrating must practice some sort of religion - likely a form of christianity.

Otherwise, I never said that what happened was unjust. That's not for me to decide. I am (and have been) arguing that the events that took place AFTER his death are hypocritical, unethical and are not in line with christianity. That has been my only argument.

I've said a thousand times that I'm not debating whether or not he deserved to die or whether or not justice was served. Why is it that everyone is getting something different out of what I'm writing?

[mrsleeve]

where is anything I said emotional or vengeful.

Its just the way the world works you fuck with some one bigger than you sometimes you will have to pay the piper.

The celebration by some may have been a little over the top I agree, but when the guy who was responsible for the needless deaths of 4000 of your country men in a chicken shit terror attack, is KIA, I do think some celebration is warranted

[GaryE30]

turf - im 100% behind you and i feel exactly the same.

+1

[Farbin Kaiber]

Turf, I have this, I'll send it to ya free of charge, with return shipping paid as well if you wanna give it a read.

http://www.amazon.com/There-God-Noto.../dp/0061335290

[Turf1600]

Turf, I have this, I'll send it to ya free of charge, with return shipping paid as well if you wanna give it a read.

http://www.amazon.com/There-God-Noto.../dp/0061335290

Sure. It will strengthen my beliefs in either direction. Although I have to say - the book is highly criticized by the atheist community. His transformation is chocked up to fear and confusion rather than the alternative. But I'll judge for myself.

[Turf1600]

where is anything I said emotional or vengeful.

Its just the way the world works you fuck with some one bigger than you sometimes you will have to pay the piper.

The celebration by some may have been a little over the top I agree, but when the guy who was responsible for the needless deaths of 4000 of your country men in a chicken shit terror attack, is KIA, I do think some celebration is warranted

I understand how that can be the reaction - but how is it not hypocritical?

[mrsleeve]

again where is the hypocrisy.

The man reaped what he had sown, he killed by the sword, there for he died by the sword of retribution of those he slaughtered.

Thats how its been for thousands of years and will continue to be for thousands more. There will always be some that will live by the sword and have to die by it. Those that chose this path get what they deserve for it.

I am big on personal responsibility and having to answer for your actions both good and bad. When a bad individual gets what is coming to him, it makes me happy, just the same as when a good man gets handsomely rewarded for efforts.

I guess I just dont think all life is sacred.

[Ryann]

^You're off topic. The celebrating of death is the OP's beef.

[mrsleeve]

Not off topic at all. its a key component to this issue.

When gacy, Dahmer, Bundy etc....... were captured and sentence carried out dont you think the victims families were happy and had some kind of celebratory feelings.


Only difference is Shit bag UBL, victimized the entire country not just a few families. A feeling of closure and the one that was most responsible got his comeuppance. Good feelings ensue if you are at all normal, and have a normal grip on reality and right and wrong.

[Ryann]

So you're saying that whether or not someone deserves to die is a key component in whether or not to celebrate his death.

[Ryann]

The problem with this line of thinking is that those "deserving" of death is a matter of perspective.

The unfortunate fact is that more innocent people have been raped, tortured, and killed by Christian governments (including ours) in recorded history than any other, so what do THEY deserve?

In a theoretical world where Christians and Muslims adhered to the doctrine on which their beliefs were founded, there wouldn't be senseless killing OR celebration of death on either side.

Seems to me like that's what the OP is getting at.

[mrsleeve]

The problem with this line of thinking is that those "deserving" of death is a matter of perspective.

Yeah, your point is moot, as in this case and those like it where the most despicable crimes are committed, anyone with a properly working sense of right and wrong will all be in agreement.

There are many Muslims that are happy the shit bag is gone.........

The unfortunate fact is that more innocent people have been raped, tortured, and killed by Christian governments (including ours) in recorded history than any other, so what do THEY deserve?

Ummm yeah no shit more people have been killed though out history in the name of GOD than anything else. In modern times that honor falls to Communism. Also looking back on brutal times in our own history though the tint of modern rose colored glasses is a bit of a farce as well.

In a theoretical world where Christians and Muslims adhered to the doctrine on which their beliefs were founded, there wouldn't be senseless killing OR celebration of death on either side.

Not going into a huge OT rant about this.

Seems to me like that's what the OP is getting at.

OP is just trying to show how superior he is to all the inferior people that are not as smart as he thinks he is. Or that he has a more advanced and worldly view of how things are and should be, and that all the rest of us that dont feel the same are back woods uneducated rednecks, that just dont understand.