Islamic extremists to establish independent states within the UK

[CorvallisBMW]

I'm not even sure you know what you're talking about. The mosque being proposed in New York doesn't overlook ground zero at all. Again, facts trump your fear mongering. Also, we're talking about England and the batshit crazy people trying to establish Sharia law, not a mosque in New York. Again, try to follow along.

You sure are racist for someone who proclaims to love America (A country founded by immigrants from different backgrounds, country and religions). Lumping over a billion people in to one wholly inaccurate and bigoted statement? Check. Drawing comparisons between completely unrelated events separated by over a thousand years so as to make another religion seem evil? Check. Being highly intolerant of other people and accusing them of trying to be subversive and traitorous? Check and double check.

[A Sucked Orange]

You sure are bent on European destruction for fucking fairy tales of peace and love.

[kronus]

muslims, evil, cordoba, etc

ok, several points

1) "just because it sounds false doesn't mean it's false and in fact means that it's probably true" is not a constructive way of thought.
2) they're planning to build a community center, not a mosque.
3) that's not even the original topic of conversation in this thread, and you're attempting the standard deflection from a topic shown to be unsound to one that the general population has forgotten was shown to be unsound some time ago. This happens.. in every P&R thread you enter.

[kronus]

You sure are bent on European destruction for fucking fairy tales of peace and love.

strawman

[A Sucked Orange]

strawman

Sorry, no.

[kronus]

Sorry, no.

...yes it is. Do you not know what a strawman argument is?

[mrsleeve]

I'm not even sure you know what you're talking about. The mosque being proposed in New York doesn't overlook ground zero at all. Again, facts trump your fear mongering. Also, we're talking about England and the batshit crazy people trying to establish Sharia law, not a mosque in New York. Again, try to follow along.

Yes a 1/10 of mile is a fucking long ways a way huh that no where near ground zero is it (thats 528 feet). My fucking drive way is longer than that.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-sledge/just-how-far-is-the-groun_b_660585.html

You sure are racist for someone who proclaims to love America (A country founded by immigrants from different backgrounds, country and religions).

Ummm No not at all, nice try Muslims are not a RACE they are a religion.

I have no issues at all with those that came here to make this place what it is. I have no issues whit those that come here in a legal manner to make a better life for them selves and ASSIMILATE as best they can into our culture, like all our fore fathers did when they came here. This is not what has been happening in both in europe (what this thread is about) and here in the us, I point dearborn and hamtramck MI.

Lumping over a billion people in to one wholly inaccurate and bigoted statement?

No Not all are with in this mind set I am sure of that. This whole topic is in reference to those that partake in such hateful and extreme views. I was under the assumption that when this topic comes up those that are moderate and do not endorse such things are left outta by default. I have seen many an article and tv interviews with Muslims that think this deal in NY is very inappropriate, and in poor taste.

Drawing comparisons between completely unrelated events separated by over a thousand years so as to make another religion seem evil? Check. Being highly intolerant of other people and accusing them of trying to be subversive and traitorous? Check and double check.

Again you think the guys that want to build this shit in NY picked the name outta a fucking hat????? My god you a dense, it was picked for its historical and and symbolical significance in the Islamic culture and religion, even Ray Charles could see that. The guys that want to bring Shira to all corners of the world at the point of a sword if need be are one in the same as those that want want to build in NYC.

I am not intolerant in the least. But when your religions and political leaders advocate the killing of ANYONE that dose not hold Aalh as their god and live by the laws they lay out should be killed, yeah that makes me worried, when they are wanting to bring that anywhere. Those that are here if they want to live by shira in their house that just fucking fine, but the moment its brought out and imposed by fear, violent action, or other wise attempted to be placed over US law or English or french or German law is when that line is crossed.

Islamic extremists are a real threat to anyone that is not in their line of thinking, here in the US we can and will tolerate them (as its their rights), but they should be dealt with swiftly and severally when they step outta line just as should happen in any other country that values its freedoms.

[A Sucked Orange]

...yes it is. Do you not know what a strawman argument is?

If you care to argue against my statement do so.

[kronus]

If you care to argue against my statement do so.

go ahead and make a proper statement, then.

[A Sucked Orange]

go ahead and make a proper statement, then.

Good chattin'.

[mrsleeve]

Kronus:

It was merely a real world example of "thats crazy it will never happen" well on its way to happening.

While not necessarily on the same plane of offensive and ridiculous as Shira communities in the UK, it still has some relevance in this topic and with in the greater topic the original post brings to the forefront of discussion .

Community center with a prayer center in it.............. ahhh yeah shit they caught on, if we dont call it a mosque they will never know what it really is.

The organization behind the facility, the Cordoba Initiative, insists that a mosque is not even in the plans. It says it's a community center, including a prayer center that would likely hold five-times-a-day Islamic prayers.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/ground-mosque-clear-major-hurdle-landmarks-commission-vote/story?id=11312002

I dont know seems kinda mosque like to me

[kronus]

Kronus:

It was merely a real world example of "thats crazy it will never happen" well on its way to happening.

...no. The New York building is legal, protected under American laws, supported by most residents of Manhattan, and under attack by what is basically American extremists. It was never "thats crazy it will never happen". The UK situation is a call by islamic extremists to perform a takeover and supplant established laws. I agree completely that THIS one is "crazy it will never happen", because it is a CALL by EXTREMISTS to do an ILLEGAL thing.

While not necessarily on the same plane of offensive and ridiculous as Shira communities in the UK, it still has some relevance in this topic and with in the greater topic the original post brings to the forefront of discussion .

Sharia*. At least make an effort.

Community center with a prayer center in it.............. ahhh yeah shit they caught on, if we dont call it a mosque they will never know what it really is.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/ground-mosque-clear-major-hurdle-landmarks-commission-vote/story?id=11312002

I dont know seems kinda mosque like to me

Out of curiosity, if it was a "community center" with a focus on muslim culture but with no prayer space, would you be this violently opposed to it? Is it the muslims praying that bothers you, or what?

[mrsleeve]

...no. The New York building is legal, protected under American laws, supported by most residents of Manhattan, and under attack by what is basically American extremists. It was never "thats crazy it will never happen". The UK situation is a call by islamic extremists to perform a takeover and supplant established laws. I agree completely that THIS one is "crazy it will never happen", because it is a CALL by EXTREMISTS to do an ILLEGAL thing.



Sharia*. At least make an effort.



Out of curiosity, if it was a "community center" with a focus on muslim culture but with no prayer space, would you be this violently opposed to it? Is it the muslims praying that bothers you, or what?

personally yes, as I just dont think its appropriate, as do many Muslims. Its not so much of the vast majority of Muslims as I really do think the bulk of them fall into that category. Its the element that is building it and those that ascribe to the fringes of Islam that would use it as symbol of their victory, just as the original Cordoba was.

But if there was no prayer center and was a true nondenominational center I personally would be much more comfortable with the idea. But with that name, really cant get past the true implications of it.

Sorry you know me as spelling ;)

[CorvallisBMW]

1) "just because it sounds false doesn't mean it's false and in fact means that it's probably true" is not a constructive way of thought.

I never imagined one could sum up every single argument by mrsleeve, joshh and vedubin01 in to one succinct sentence, but I believe you just did. I tip my hat to you.

[Dozyproductions]

^



dozy
Those who dont know history are doomed to repeat it.


Seems you dont know it..... and are happy to let it repeat.

I know my history, but this is more of an apple to oranges kind of situation.


And you can quote aristotle all you wan't but it's not going to make you look any more intelligent or prove your point any further without at least some proper context.