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  • gwb72tii
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    • Nov 2005
    • 3864

    #1

    obama vs the truth - those evil oil companies

    get rid of the tax loopholes

    "The top three oil companies in the United States are ExxonMobil, ConocoPhillips and Chevron. According to the SEC filings of those companies, as analyzed by Forbes, ExxonMobil’s pretax income in 2010 was $52 billion, from which it paid $21.6 billion in income taxes worldwide, leaving a net income of $30.5 billion. That equals a tax rate of 45 percent, which is 10 percent above the statutory corporate rate of 35 percent.

    ConocoPhillips earned $19.8 billion in pretax income in 2010 and it paid $8.3 billion in taxes, leaving $11.4 billion in income. That equals a tax rate of 42 percent. Chevron made $32 billion and then paid $12.9 billion in income taxes, leaving a net income of $19.1 billion, which equals a tax rate of 40 percent.

    ExxonMobil’s total tax bill, worldwide, was $89 billion in 2010, comprised mostly of sales and excise taxes. ConocoPhillips, for comparison, paid an additional $16.8 billion in “other taxes” beyond its income taxes, reported Forbes, and Chevron paid an additional $18.2 billion in “other taxes” in 2010."




    so, what is "fair" in your book?
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  • iamsam
    Advanced Member
    • Jun 2008
    • 174

    #2
    all we need to do now is start drilling more in the US.

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    • Farbin Kaiber
      Lil' Puppet
      • Jul 2007
      • 29502

      #3
      They are here to provide infrastructure, they should not be profiting at all.

      /retarded lets-pretend it's-opposite-day response





      They would charge less for their product if the market didn't require so much of them, and the lower costs handed down to end-users would really stimulate the economy in a more free market style. But that won't happen.

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      • iamsam
        Advanced Member
        • Jun 2008
        • 174

        #4
        lower gas prices would be awesome, I think we all agree. But why exactly should a company not make a profit? Isn't that what companies DO?

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        • Farbin Kaiber
          Lil' Puppet
          • Jul 2007
          • 29502

          #5
          ^ I was being sarcastic.

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          • z31maniac
            I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
            • Dec 2007
            • 17566

            #6
            Cool, let's revoke the corporate tax break, so that the pass the cost onto the consumers in the form of more expensive oil.

            I really wish the "Left" in this country understood that corporations do not pay tax.
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            • Farbin Kaiber
              Lil' Puppet
              • Jul 2007
              • 29502

              #7
              ^ They get charged them, they just pass it on, such a simple idea to grasp.

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              • tjts1
                E30 Mastermind
                • May 2007
                • 1851

                #8
                Originally posted by gwb72tii
                get rid of the tax loopholes

                "The top three oil companies in the United States are ExxonMobil, ConocoPhillips and Chevron. According to the SEC filings of those companies, as analyzed by Forbes, ExxonMobil’s pretax income in 2010 was $52 billion, from which it paid $21.6 billion in income taxes worldwide, leaving a net income of $30.5 billion. That equals a tax rate of 45 percent, which is 10 percent above the statutory corporate rate of 35 percent.

                ConocoPhillips earned $19.8 billion in pretax income in 2010 and it paid $8.3 billion in taxes, leaving $11.4 billion in income. That equals a tax rate of 42 percent. Chevron made $32 billion and then paid $12.9 billion in income taxes, leaving a net income of $19.1 billion, which equals a tax rate of 40 percent.

                ExxonMobil’s total tax bill, worldwide, was $89 billion in 2010, comprised mostly of sales and excise taxes. ConocoPhillips, for comparison, paid an additional $16.8 billion in “other taxes” beyond its income taxes, reported Forbes, and Chevron paid an additional $18.2 billion in “other taxes” in 2010."




                so, what is "fair" in your book?
                BULLSHIT. These companies publish their financial results every quarter. Come back when you've read through them yourself. Hint: Check the 'effective tax rate line'. Thats the number that is actually paid after they've exhaust every possible loophole and tax haven.

                http://investor.chevron.com/phoenix....l-reportsOther

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                • gwb72tii
                  No R3VLimiter
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 3864

                  #9
                  Originally posted by tjts1
                  BULLSHIT. These companies publish their financial results every quarter. Come back when you've read through them yourself. Hint: Check the 'effective tax rate line'. Thats the number that is actually paid after they've exhaust every possible loophole and tax haven.

                  http://investor.chevron.com/phoenix....l-reportsOther
                  http://ir.exxonmobil.com/phoenix.zht...-reportsAnnual
                  sorry. you're wrong.
                  take a look at chevron's income statement and the above is true
                  the company receives no special tax breaks other non-energy companies don't get also.
                  its called GAAP
                  look it up

                  edit
                  if you want to add back non cash expenses (13,063MM) the effective tax rate is 28.60%
                  but then you have to do the same for all operating companies, including union owned GM which pays no tax
                  oh, and the pres' fave advisor immelt's company GE, which also pays no tax

                  fair?
                  Last edited by gwb72tii; 07-12-2011, 11:53 AM.
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                  • kronus
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                    • Apr 2008
                    • 13027

                    #10
                    did you miss the two times it says "worldwide" in that quote? Worldwide tax payment don't really help the US with tax revenue...
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                    • kronus
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                      • Apr 2008
                      • 13027

                      #11
                      (and there's no response)
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                      • Farbin Kaiber
                        Lil' Puppet
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 29502

                        #12
                        ^He's jerkin, jerking in this thread.

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                        • joshh
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                          • Aug 2004
                          • 6195

                          #13
                          Originally posted by kronus
                          did you miss the two times it says "worldwide" in that quote? Worldwide tax payment don't really help the US with tax revenue...


                          The employees and stock holders that are in the US don't pay taxes? That's the point.
                          Last edited by joshh; 07-12-2011, 12:21 PM.
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                          • kronus
                            R3V OG
                            • Apr 2008
                            • 13027

                            #14
                            Originally posted by joshh
                            The employees and stock holders that are in the US don't pay taxes? That's the point.
                            what? none of that was in discussion until you mentioned it just now.

                            here's a link with some actual info...
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                            • mrsleeve
                              I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 16386

                              #15



                              Really I am not going into this a-fucking-gain

                              How many times must I say it, the federal govt makes more money on OIL than big oil does .
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