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Fuck the RIAA and MPAA. This shit sucks. -
I love seeing people cry about the lack of free shit....from other people's work.
Edit, but the way some of these artists have gone about it have been pretty fucked up..I.E. Metallica for example.Last edited by joshh; 07-22-2011, 08:42 AM.Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.
"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison
"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" Barack ObamaComment
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Ever notice how most of the artists aren't really too concerned with the issue?
Copyright infringement fines are ridiculously disproportionate to the infringement that is being committed.
It's not theft, it's copyright infringement.
I'm not complaining about "not getting free shit", but of course you're too fucking stupid to understand that.Comment
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And if you didn't complain about it...was I then referring to you...LMFAO. "I'm not complaining about "not getting free shit", but of course you're too fucking stupid to understand that". That seems to apply far more to you in this instance than me. You kids keep working against yourself.Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.
"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison
"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" Barack ObamaComment
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Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.
"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison
"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" Barack ObamaComment
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hey, you started it.sigpic
Originally posted by u3b3rg33kComment
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hm, you guys are serious. Sorry I really thought that was a troll.
You might be surprised to find that the average musician putting music out there for free ends up making a lot more money than by going through a record label.
Rather than re-type a well covered argument, here is a pile of studies illustrating why the RIAA's approach is just fundamentally wrong, and have spent fortunes to have politicians trample our rights in an attempt to prop up an outdated business model:
main site here:
I hate to push one site so hard but they turn out more copyright stories than anyone, with logical backing for the arguments made.sigpic
Originally posted by u3b3rg33kComment
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hm, you guys are serious. Sorry I really thought that was a troll.
You might be surprised to find that the average musician putting music out there for free ends up making a lot more money than by going through a record label.
Rather than re-type a well covered argument, here is a pile of studies illustrating why the RIAA's approach is just fundamentally wrong, and have spent fortunes to have politicians trample our rights in an attempt to prop up an outdated business model:
main site here:
I hate to push one site so hard but they turn out more copyright stories than anyone, with logical backing for the arguments made.
Those are two entirely different issues. One is a product ownership and the other is how to sell the product. What we should be focusing on is the artists rights not "our" rights. Because what rights do we have to their product?Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.
"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison
"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" Barack ObamaComment
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Guess what, their product, if it is an infinite good such as digital media, IS free. They have copyright rights do defend the work as their own, to protect the growing fanbase that they have created, which will support them by purchasing goods which are not infinite (like concert tickets, t-shirts, whatever). To put an artificial scarcity on something that is limitless, you are directly competing with piracy. You will only win by making it cheap enough or desirable enough to compete with free. Most people WANT to support their favorite artists. (as has been proven several times over by Radiohead, Trent Reznor, etc). Most people WANT to LEGALLY have a huge load of music available at their fingertips. Did you know that Netflix generates more internet traffic than bit-torrent? It's because they have been able to package content in a way that is more convenient than piracy. What hurts them is the studios shooting themselves in the foot with release windows and crap. (honestly, they should sell DVD's of the movie on the way out of the theater)
The thought that you can make money just by putting an album online and walking away is obsolete, it takes actual work just like any other job.
The only real losers here are not the artists, it's the middle man. And guess what? Even back in the 80's and 90's, 1 T-shirt made more money for an artist than 10,000 CD's. The MUSIC industry is making more money than ever. It's the RECORDING industry that is headed straight for the shitter, and rightfully so. They should have been at the forefront of the digital media movement, making it easier than ever to find an artist you love. Instead they have been shooting themselves in various body parts for over a decade straight.
This particular blurb can explain things better than I can:
A better analogy would be if the replicator only made tomatoes. You could have as many tomatoes as you wanted, they'd always be perfect and delicious, and they'd always be free. This would put tomato farmers out of business. But these tomato farmers could likely start growing something else instead. And what happens to the rest of the economy? Pizza and pasta restaurants suddenly find that a major ingredient in many of their dishes just became free. Now, for the same dish, they can charge less, or buy higher quality ingredients, or make more profit. And if you're a really talented cook specializing in tomatoes? Your skills are now in very high demand.
And there is still a demand for the people who bring the tomatoes from the replicator to your table. There is still a demand for the person who stews and cans the tomatoes, or dices and seasons them. And all the other food items, the ones that aren't in infitnite supply, still need people to produce, process, and distribute them.
This is what's happening in the music industry, and starting to happen in the publishing industry. Some parts of the industries are finding their functions obsolete. Instead of looking at the money they could save with electronic distribution, and what good use they could put that money to, the industry is seeking new laws and regulations to limit the infinite supply so business can continue as usual.
Even if every single song, book, and movie was distributed digitally for free, there would still be a need for the music, publishing, and movie industries. There would still be demand for editors, producers, marketers, and all sorts of other services that these industries have always provided.
Reasonable people aren't calling for the abolition of the music, publishing, and movie industries. They're just asking these industries to look to the future, and stop trying to limit supply to protect obsolete business models.sigpic
Originally posted by u3b3rg33kComment
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The biggest issue I have with these laws isn't the industry running itself in a stupid way, that should work itself out, it's the collateral damage they are causing.sigpic
Originally posted by u3b3rg33kComment
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If you want to stay off the ISP's radar, just don't use torrents.
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