NASA says Climate Change exagerated?

[mrsleeve]

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Yes we all know how accurate charts and graphs can be? *cough* Hockey stick *cough cough*

See I can do it too, its all about the pirates not CO2 or the sun



After reading about 35 of those little snipets, its nothing more than Nunt uhhhh, iz too, Cuz I saidz so carp thats been coming outta the global warmi.....................errrr....Climate change camp for the last 10 years.

[gwb72tii]

there is no proven causal relationship between CO2 and warming
keep that in mind

[DTM190]

So what caused the ice age?

Lack of dinosaurs cruising for chicks in their cat-less E30s

Great discussion. My gut instinct tells me that the universe and cycles has WAY more to do with it than anything else.

[Ryann]

^ The real question is whether or not human actions have any correlation to the increase in recorded (last 150 years out of 4.5+ billion?????) temperature history.

Plus fucking one right here. This is the fucking deal, this is what's under dispute.

[herbivor]

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Yes we all know how accurate charts and graphs can be? *cough* Hockey stick *cough cough*

Perhaps you missed the Hockey stick discussion here.

Either way, I'm sure you'll dismiss it because it doesn't fit any of your own beliefs.

My gut instinct tells me that the universe and cycles has WAY more to do with it than anything else.

Because your gut is way more accurate than thousands of scientists all over the world conducting thousands of experiments, right?

Plus fucking one right here. This is the fucking deal, this is what's under dispute.

Not really a dispute amongst the scientific community, just amongst those that don't want to understand the science or listen to the scientists. But here is a discussion regarding why humans are responsible.

[Ryan Stewart]

Correct. It could be that humans are having a minimal effect (though we aren't having a zero effect, or a positive effect).
But to conclude that because humans aren't having a significant effect and taking it to the "There is no global climate change" like many politicians and citizens is just stupid. This has the potential to effect our children more than just about anything else, and it should be understood not ignored. And that's true even if we can't do anything about it.

The problem is not that our summers will be 1 degree warmer, it's what that 1 degree does to the entire globes climate. Areas that were good for warming could become deserts or wetlands. Much of our infrastructure is based on a predictable climate, especially the production of food. It would not be a good thing to stick our head in the sand and pretend like everything will stay the way it always has.

You missed my point. The temperature may be changing but there is no conclusive evidence that we are having an effect. You started off well but went into the "we need to do something about this" spiel. I do believe we need to change our habits but not because of global warming, at least not until we figure out what impact we are having.

[herbivor]

You missed my point. The temperature may be changing but there is no conclusive evidence that we are having an effect. You started off well but went into the "we need to do something about this" spiel. I do believe we need to change our habits but not because of global warming, at least not until we figure out what impact we are having.

Maybe you missed my post directly above yours. There is a good argument why humans are causing GW in the link above. Feel free to read it thoroughly then get back to us on your counter argument.

[DTM190]

Because your gut is way more accurate than thousands of scientists all over the world conducting thousands of experiments, right?

Not at all. To me it’s a bit like religion. There are lots of arguments from both sides of the fence and I take it all on board and chose what I believe based on what I have learned.

Have a look at most pages on the site you linked to http://www.skepticalscience.com/

There are educated examples for both sides of the argument with neither being able to categorically prove either theories.

That is what I meant by my gut instinct. It’s just what I feel on the subject. Just my opinion, I am not saying I am right ;) This is a forum after all, right?

I have no doubt at all that humans have had an effect on the climate but I think natural cycles have and will have more of an effect in a shorter time than any change we have made in the last 250 years (which most temp records and data is based on)

If we were to have a major volcanic explosion or we get hit by an asteroid or comet it would affect the climate way more than what we have. They have happened before and they will happen again.

[Ryan Stewart]

Maybe you missed my post directly above yours. There is a good argument why humans are causing GW in the link above. Feel free to read it thoroughly then get back to us on your counter argument.

Its a source with a goal referencing actual data, correct. They can speak to the data find but they apply their bias once they started speculating as to the reasons.

There is no doubt that we are warmer than we were before. We had a big increase in it too, although that increase has waned recently. The issue is the cause and what impact our habits and changes in our habits will have.

Our nearest neighbor is experiencing a very similar impact, a warming and melting of ice. Its got an atmosphere but no life (that we know of) nor does it have geothermal sources (or volcanic sources of CO2). So possibly there is a link to be explored there.

[Eric]

1. It's an economic downturn. About the only thing not hurting in government budget is the military.

As a person in the military, I can assure you that we are most definitely feeling budget cuts even before real cuts have taken place!

[herbivor]

Its a source with a goal referencing actual data, correct. They can speak to the data find but they apply their bias once they started speculating as to the reasons.

There is no doubt that we are warmer than we were before. We had a big increase in it too, although that increase has waned recently. The issue is the cause and what impact our habits and changes in our habits will have.

Our nearest neighbor is experiencing a very similar impact, a warming and melting of ice. Its got an atmosphere but no life (that we know of) nor does it have geothermal sources (or volcanic sources of CO2). So possibly there is a link to be explored there.

I presume you are talking about the warming of Mars? Here is the discussion about that as well, essentially saying there is no empirical evidence. Feel free to browse the website. It was specifically designed to answer questions for skeptics of GW. When you find good scientific evidence against the possibility that humans are the cause of GW let me know. I would love to know we're not responsible for it. (It would make me feel less guilty about driving my E30 with a lead foot);)

[Farbin Kaiber]

It's not the least bit ironic to me that the vegetarian is also a liberal, and a climate change expert.

[slammin.e28]

Global Warming is so Y2K.

[herbivor]

It's not the least bit ironic to me that the vegetarian is also a liberal, and a climate change expert.

:D yep, I fit the stereotype. You can add atheist and hiker to that. I also wear informal attire and occasionally go barefoot to work, which I walk to because I live in the city. But somehow with all these "hippy" attributes I can still live a happy successful life and contribute positively to my local economy. Weird huh?

[Farbin Kaiber]

^ And, since you have a job in Charlotte, NC... Most likely white.

http://blackpoliticsontheweb.com/2011/07/29/african-american-middle-class-eroding-as-unemployment-rate-soars/