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  • CorvallisBMW
    Long Schlong Longhammer
    • Feb 2005
    • 13039

    #31
    You're just googling 'bin laden' and posting the first hits you get LOL, these aren't related.

    Seriously though Farbin, you need to get out a bit, your brain is starting to rot. If Bin Laden wasn't killed, then there was no raid and your whole conspiracy theory makes no sense. If he was killed, why would the US want to kill the SEALs who took him out since they wouldn't have anything to hide? Neither scenario makes any sense.

    Get out of Idaho for a bit, rejoin reality. It'll be good for you.

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    • mrsleeve
      I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
      • Mar 2005
      • 16385

      #32
      Originally posted by Vedubin01
      well here is a bit more tin foil for ya guys...



      Now with out thinking to deep into this, it sounds like a good idea to stop the bleeding a bit. BUT!

      Gov't considers turning foreclosures into rentals:




      Now that we have our subjects living in "our" housing, you think we might have a bit more control over them?



      "A federal "request for information" released Wednesday included an option for previous homeowners to rent out the homes or for current renters to lease to own."

      Another redistribution of wealth as I see it, "never let a good crisis go to waste"!

      I have been saying this for a while now. As where I live there are tons of Forecloses and pre foreclosures, but the banks will not price them to sell. Our market was way over inflated and still is, and banks are holding toxic homes all over the country, if its REMOTELY habitable, they are pricing them not too far off the highs of 07-08. This is keeping people who want to buy them outta them, because they wont appraise for enough for people to get the loan to buy.

      I have been saying there is something fishy going on about why these banks are holding on to there homes and getting them off the books for what they can get and get it done fast. The govt has been pumping them full of money well beyond the stimulus. The govt owns 96% of the mortgages in the country you do the math on that. I have been thinking for a long while now all these empty houses every where are going to become govt housing.

      Welcome to communism guys
      Last edited by mrsleeve; 08-10-2011, 08:31 PM.
      Originally posted by Fusion
      If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
      The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


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      Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
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      • Farbin Kaiber
        Lil' Puppet
        • Jul 2007
        • 29502

        #33
        Originally posted by CorvallisBMW
        You're just googling 'bin laden' and posting the first hits you get LOL, these aren't related.

        Seriously though Farbin, you need to get out a bit, your brain is starting to rot. If Bin Laden wasn't killed, then there was no raid and your whole conspiracy theory makes no sense. If he was killed, why would the US want to kill the SEALs who took him out since they wouldn't have anything to hide? Neither scenario makes any sense.

        Get out of Idaho for a bit, rejoin reality. It'll be good for you.
        Thread title, Our Government at Work... Link was related to topic, stating the Pentagon has officers specifically for dissemination of "information" regarding activities. Sounds like the Propaganda Office to me. The worst part is, they fed Classified info to a movie production duo. Sounds like a movie I've seen called Wag the Dog.

        And, just because something without all the facts does not make sense to you does not mean it is false.

        I heard an interesting quote in a movie I watched last night;
        In the Stasi, we had a basic principle: ask enough questions and a man who is lying will eventually change his story. But the man who tells the truth cannot change his, however unlikely his story sounds.
        Now, maybe it's just me, but the bin Laden story changed many times in the first few days.

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        • Farbin Kaiber
          Lil' Puppet
          • Jul 2007
          • 29502

          #34
          Wow, I said it, and now I have something to back what I've said.

          In the Stasi, we had a basic principle: ask enough questions and a man who is lying will eventually change his story. But the man who tells the truth cannot change his, however unlikely his story sounds.
          See what I mean...

          http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-not-a-rescue/

          SEALs were sent to stop fleeing Taliban
          Rangers wanted help to halt retreat


          By Rowan Scarborough

          -

          The Washington Times

          Wednesday, August 10, 2011


          The top NATO commander in Afghanistan said Wednesday that the doomed Navy SEALs mission that claimed 30 American lives was intended to stop fleeing Taliban fighters and not necessarily a rescue mission as first reported.

          After the crash Saturday, news reports quoted NATO officials as saying commanders dispatched the CH-47 Chinook helicopter with 22 SEALs onboard to rescue an Army Ranger team pinned down by the Taliban.

          The huge twin-engine CH-47 was downed by a rocket-propelled grenade as it approached a “hot” landing zone.

          U.S. Marine Corps Gen. John R. Allen, the top commander in Afghanistan, told Pentagon reporters via a teleconference from Kabul that the mission was to stop Taliban fighters from fleeing in the Wardak province’s Tangi Valley.

          “As this mission unfolded, we saw some significant success occurring on the objective itself, but there were elements that were escaping,” Gen. Allen said.
          **FILE** U.S. soldiers from the 2nd Brigade, 87th Infantry Regiment, 10th Mountain Division, secure the area after exiting a Chinook helicopter, Helmand Province, southern Afghanistan, on June 18, 2006. Insurgents shot down on Aug. 6, 2011, a U.S. military helicopter similar to this one shown during fighting in eastern Afghanistan, killing 30 Americans, most of them belonging to the same elite Navy SEALs unit that killed Osama bin Laden, as well as seven Afghan commandos, U.S. officials said. (Associated Press)**FILE** U.S. soldiers from the 2nd Brigade, 87th Infantry Regiment, 10th Mountain Division, secure the area after exiting a Chinook helicopter, Helmand Province, southern Afghanistan, on June 18, 2006. Insurgents shot down on Aug. 6, 2011, a U.S. military helicopter similar to this one shown during fighting in eastern Afghanistan, killing 30 Americans, most of them belonging to the same elite Navy SEALs unit that killed Osama bin Laden, as well as seven Afghan commandos, U.S. officials said. (Associated Press)

          “And in the course of their attempt to depart the objective, we committed a force to contain that element from getting out. And of course, in the process of that, the aircraft was struck by an RPG and crashed.”

          Instead being pinned down, as NATO officials first said, the Ranger unit was winning the fight and wanted more troops to stop the enemy retreat.

          The Washington Times has reported that some in the special operations community are privately critical of the mission. They wonder why so many SEALs were put in one helicopter instead of two. The sources also ask why the command dispatched a CH-47 instead of the special operations version, the MH-47, flown by the highly trained 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment.

          Asked why so many elite SEALs were dedicated to backing up a force not in imminent danger, Gen. Allen said, “All the decisions that are made are made based on the unfolding mission, and in fact that was the decision that was made at that particular moment. And so I’m comfortable that that was the right decision to be made at that time.”

          Asked whether it was a mistake to dispatch the CH-47, the general said, “We’ve run more than a couple of thousand of these night operations over the last year, and this is the only occasion where this has occurred. So we routinely use this airplane. It is an important means for tactical ability. The fact that we lost this aircraft is not a decision point as to whether we’ll use this aircraft in the future. It’s not uncommon at all to use this aircraft on our special missions.”

          The four-star officer added, “I won’t get into the details associated with how we assign units to its battlefield transportation and to tactical mobility. And in terms of the numbers that were on the objective, again, that’s an operational detail, which I’d rather not discuss with you here.”

          Gen. Allen said the fleeing Taliban thought responsible for the fatal Chinook crash have since been killed by a strike from U.S. F-16 fighter jets.

          “We tracked them, as we would in the aftermath of any operation, and we dealt with them with a kinetic strike,” he said. “In the aftermath of that, we have achieved certainty that they in fact were killed in that strike.”

          He also said the Taliban leader who was the target of the original Ranger mission in the Tangi Valley remained at large.

          In a separate statement afterward, the U.S. military said the Taliban guerrilla who fired the rocket-propelled grenade is among the dead. The statement cited ground-based intelligence but did not significantly elaborate.

          Story Continues →

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          • E30Kaiser
            E30 Mastermind
            • Mar 2008
            • 1790

            #35
            Soooo.....you think the government is lying about killing Osama based on Communist East German special police tactics?

            Of course they are lying about some of it, because special ops won't reveal everything, but Bin Laden is dead dude.

            Just go on a shooting rampage because the government is out to get you and get it over with already.
            Last edited by E30Kaiser; 08-11-2011, 12:28 PM.
            "We're not here for a long time, we're here for a good time"-Colin McCrae

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            • Farbin Kaiber
              Lil' Puppet
              • Jul 2007
              • 29502

              #36
              Originally posted by E30Kaiser
              Soooo.....you think the government is lying about killing Osama based on Communist East German special police tactics?

              Of course they are lying about some of it, because special ops won't reveal everything, but Bin Laden is dead dude.

              Just go on a shooting rampage because the government is out to get you and get it over with already.

              No, the concept spoken is what I'm talking about, not the source. Is it not strange to you that the story has changed?

              What makes you think the lying is ok?

              Why would you suggest such a ludicrous concept such as that? Why would I ever go and do that, me voicing my opinion for the next 50 years will be a lot more valued than going on a shooting rampage, I would never go and do that, it wouldn't change or solve anything, just ask that guy in Norway.

              Fucking childish liberals that go to some fuct up extreme without taking any middle ground, really undermines your standpoint looking like a little child. You actions are like a playground scuffle being avenged with a nuke.

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              • E30Kaiser
                E30 Mastermind
                • Mar 2008
                • 1790

                #37
                Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber
                No, the concept spoken is what I'm talking about, not the source. Is it not strange to you that the story has changed?

                What makes you think the lying is ok?

                Why would you suggest such a ludicrous concept such as that? Why would I ever go and do that, me voicing my opinion for the next 50 years will be a lot more valued than going on a shooting rampage, I would never go and do that, it wouldn't change or solve anything, just ask that guy in Norway.

                Fucking childish liberals that go to some fuct up extreme without taking any middle ground, really undermines your standpoint looking like a little child. You actions are like a playground scuffle being avenged with a nuke.
                You misunderstand the concept that is spoken about in the movie then, because it was notorious for justifying the imprisoning of innocent people.

                And yes, I think lying is fine if it puts people at risk. Changing peoples names in the stories, the techniques used, the technology used etc, all of that should not be divulged, as there is no reason the American people need to know it and plenty of reasons they don't.

                And don't call me a liberal.
                "We're not here for a long time, we're here for a good time"-Colin McCrae

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                • Farbin Kaiber
                  Lil' Puppet
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 29502

                  #38
                  Dear Liberal,

                  I was not talking about the connotation in the movie you dolt, I was speaking about the concept being applied to the real world, in day-to-day events. Not some context of a film, nor of the people used to inspire it's characters.

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                  • E30Kaiser
                    E30 Mastermind
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 1790

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber
                    Dear Liberal,

                    I was not talking about the connotation in the movie you dolt, I was speaking about the concept being applied to the real world, in day-to-day events. Not some context of a film, nor of the people used to inspire it's characters.
                    Well then you didn't get the point of it, or don't care, and for some reason are taking it out of context and applying it to something else erroneously. Good job. Good movie though.
                    "We're not here for a long time, we're here for a good time"-Colin McCrae

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                    • Farbin Kaiber
                      Lil' Puppet
                      • Jul 2007
                      • 29502

                      #40
                      No, it's not out of context, If a person changes their story, they are a liar, if a person keeps the exact same story, after repeated questionings, they are telling the truth.

                      Thus, the true story will never change, but a falsified story will have the ability to adapt and change.

                      Stop putting the quote in some East German secret police officers mouth (a character in a fictional movie no less), and hear it coming out of Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi.

                      Truth will always be truth, a lie will adapt and change to suit it's creators desire.

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                      • CorvallisBMW
                        Long Schlong Longhammer
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 13039

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber
                        Fucking childish liberals that go to some fuct up extreme without taking any middle ground, really undermines your standpoint looking like a little child. You actions are like a playground scuffle being avenged with a nuke.
                        Says the man who thinks the US military intentionally shot down their own US military helicopter to cover up the cover up of the assassination of the world's most wanted terrorist. :loco:

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                        • Farbin Kaiber
                          Lil' Puppet
                          • Jul 2007
                          • 29502

                          #42
                          Originally posted by CorvallisBMW
                          Says the man who theorized the US military intentionally shot down their own US military helicopter to cover up the cover up of the assassination of the world's most wanted terrorist. :loco:
                          Fixed, Big difference.

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