Everything they can to stifle it.

[mrsleeve]

Well here we go again, The 0 has announced more CAFE standards. Not at commuters and the general public trying to get to and from work, but at the commercial and heavy truck segment.

This idiot knows precisely what hes is doing and its not to save the environment. its so the price of goods will NECESSARILY SKYROCKET. Everything you buy no matter what or where (other than directly from the producer) comes to you via truck period. This will have a very big affect on what we all pay for EVERYTHING in our daily lives.

By Darlene Superville

The Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- Firetrucks and concrete mixers, semis, heavy-duty pickups and all trucks in between will have to trim fuel consumption and emissions of heat-trapping gases for the first time under new standards announced Tuesday by President Barack Obama.

The White House said the standards will save businesses billions of dollars in fuel costs, help reduce oil consumption and cut air pollution. The standards apply to vehicle model years 2014 to 2018.

Three categories of vehicles are affected. Big rigs or semis will have to slash fuel consumption and production of heat-trapping gases by up to 23 percent.

Gasoline-powered heavy-duty pickups and vans will have to cut consumption by 10 percent, or by 15 percent if they run on diesel.

The standards also prescribe a 9 percent reduction in fuel consumption and greenhouse gas emissions for work trucks. This category includes everything from firetrucks and concrete mixers to garbage trucks and buses.

In a statement, Obama said people who build, buy and drive medium- and heavy-duty trucks support the new standards.

Obama had planned to unveil the standards at a trucking business in Virginia, a state crucial to his re-election hopes. But the trip was canceled Tuesday without explanation, and Obama met privately at the White House with industry officials before flying to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware to pay respects to 30 U.S. troops killed over the weekend in Afghanistan.

The White House projected savings of 530 million barrels of oil and $50 billion in fuel costs over the lives of the vehicles covered by the new standards, along with improved air quality and public health.

It's the second round of fuel efficiency standards Obama has announced in a month.

Last month, the president announced a deal with automakers to double overall fuel economy to 54.5 miles per gallon by 2025, starting in model year 2017. Cars and light trucks now on the road average 27 mpg.

That followed a 2009 deal committing cars and trucks to averaging 35.5 mpg by model year 2016.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/08/09/3280195/trucks-must-cut-fuel-use-and-emissions.html

This is the epitome of stepping over a dollar to pick up a penny. Or cutting of your nose to spite your face, and bureaucrats arbitrarily decreeing shit with no regard for the consequences. The thing is, I really think they know just what they are doing.

Hard to have recovery and "green shoots" when the govt is doing everything it can to stop it all.

[Fusion]

I haven't compared the numbers, but I think that's just copying the Euro 6 emission standard.
It will cost companies more, since the purchasing price of new trucks will be higher due to the technology used to cut emissions. The funny thing is that over here, tech and emissions checks aren't as strict as production standards, so people remove things like polution filters from their cars, because new ones cost incredible amounts and last about 60k miles.

[slammin.e28]

Someone just needs to slap some sense Barry O. Seriously....WTF? Hows about we focus on fixing the problems we're in now, then we can focus on future problems. We're not in a position to be trying to do things like this. We need to get the economy back on track and debt under control, then shit like this can be discussed when we're running good. We don't need new fuel standards for the country to run, we need to fix our current problems.

I bet Barry put coilovers on his e30 when it needed a new CSB, oil change, and valve adjustment. Then the rest of the car shit the bed, but damn, it was low and looked good to the outside for what he'd done to it.

[mrsleeve]

Yankee abroad

What the standard gross haul over there. Here in the USA standard is 80,000Lbs, and if you move up to Doubles you can haul 129,000lbs -147, 000lbs at a whack depending on configuration and state load limits, to improve fuel economy by that much they will have to haul less at a time. There for it will take more trips to haul the same amount of shit, there by burning a FUCK load more fuel to do the same job.

Because if there was a truck out there that got 5% better mileage, the fleet haulers would be buying them up as fast as they can make them. 5% of their fuel bill is a HUGE number and would mean better margins

[Fusion]

Same 80K here.
The fuel consumption requirements over here are just numbers on a piece of paper. They are numbers the manufacturer tests. Not sure how that's standardized, it could even be a dyno figure like power/torque. Like the MPG numbers on cars sold in the US.
It doesn't mean that the Euro 6 truck (2013-) will have XY% less consumption in the real world.
The Euro 5 Mercedes my dad owns have an actual highway consumption of about 7mpg of diesel, fully loaded. I don't think that's any better than E3 or E4. And you're right that if a different truck had 10% lower cons., they would sell like hell because at 0.5mil. kms/year that's a lot of money.

[tjts1]

Sounds good but why are the reductions so small?

[Raxe]

Semi-trucks are hardly using cutting-edge technology right now. There's a lot of room for improvement, and now that they've created hybrid trucks this could give them incentive to start switching over.

Keep in mind the free market everyone loves and adores works both ways; where there's demand there's a potential for profit to be made and competitive companies will always be working towards bringing a better service at a better price. Costs could rise marginally at first but everything will balance out over time as it always has in the past.

Saying "the only way these standards will ever be achievable is by hauling smaller loads" is an insult to engineers around the world who make their living designing things bigger, better and more efficient. It's possible and will happen if there's a demand for it.

[e30e]

Sounds good but why are the reductions so small?

Because when your hauling 80k pounds of shit there is no magical way of getting better fuel economy.

This bill just supports my company more to move more transportation goods by rail and I'm okay with that.

[Vedubin01]

This bill just supports my company more to move more transportation goods by rail and I'm okay with that.

Rail is very limited, much slower, harder to load and unload, and has to touch more hands and rehooks than a over the road driver. Rail does have its place but is not the answer to reducing over the road freight.

[e30e]

Rail is very limited, much slower, harder to load and unload, and has to touch more hands and rehooks than a over the road driver. Rail does have its place but is not the answer to reducing over the road freight.

Ok, how often to do see mile long tractor trailers going 75mph non stop for 1000 of miles, that right you don't. We move more trailers and goods than anyone. Were awarded for being the most efficient transportation company in America, must be because were slower than an inefficient truck.

[Farbin Kaiber]

What he means is rail coverage is not as comprehensive as truck.


Rail


National Highway System

There is a lot of places a train won't be getting product to, and trucks will have to get product to end users/resalers/etc.

[e30e]

They get there supplies/loads/trailers from those major cities and do a short run, due to inefficiencies and fuel prices. Every single major city has a rail yard for supplies....Most of our highway systems run with rail roads for a big reason.

[gwb72tii]

wouldn't be logical to have economic advisors who've worked in the private sector?

here's a quote from David Farr, CEO of Emerson Electric, and long time blue blue chip company, in his talks with analysts after the company reported earnings;

"These are extremely uncertain and challenging times with the Japanese earthquake and tsunami, a global material inflation, dysfunctional governments in the U.S. and Europeans not able to deal with the tough issues of debt and excess spending. I going to thank the business leaders and the operating leaders for getting the job done in very difficult and challenging times...

Then we have a government situation, their inability to deal with the real gut issues of excess spending and debt. All we hear out of government is: We're going to raise taxes. We don't like corporate planes. We're going to sue Boeing, one of the most strategic companies we have in this country, for building a new plant in South Carolina. We have no desire to really go after corporate tax reform, which would fundamentally change this country and encourage people to invest and reinvest and create jobs in this country but rather, we demagogue -- and go after people that actually create those jobs, be it corporations and people that are successful...

[T]here's nothing going on in the U.S. right now that would encourage corporations to ignore the excessive regulations coming at us, not to mention the new Dodd-Frank bill... You look at new healthcare bill. You look at the last week. We decided in Washington to raise the CAFE standards for the second time within 3 years on the day that we announced less than 1% first half GDP growth in the U.S. economy. I would say Washington is arranging the chairs on the Titanic."


get ready for tough times ahead

[mrsleeve]

Ok, how often to do see mile long tractor trailers going 75mph non stop for 1000 of miles, that right you don't. We move more trailers and goods than anyone. Were awarded for being the most efficient transportation company in America, must be because were slower than an inefficient truck.

there is no argument with this at all.

The thing is you still have to truck goods from the rail terminal to the point of sale, or from point of production to the rail terminal.

thats all. Trucking is still the life blood of this country and its economy, and fucking with it in this way will make every part of our lives much much more expensive.

When people are too worried about their own lives they cant bitch about the govt and what its doing along with putting more and more people beholding to it for their daily bread.

the reason our society works is because we are all Rich, fat and happy. When we are not rich anymore, not fat anymore, we will not be happy anymore, when we are not happy anymore it leaves openings for tyrants to step in and rule with an iron fist. This is the agenda to make everything as expensive as possible and get as many people beholding to the Feds there by giving them control.

[Morrison]

Woah, calm down. The numbers I've seen don't look all that bleak It is proposed that the new semi tractors would cost $6,220 more but would save $73,000 over the life of the truck. That's a net gain of $66,780. Then there is the secondary effect of reducing the overall demand which would reduce cost at the pump, enabling cheaper re-fueling of E30's.