Unions=stay classy.

[e30e]

So no, there is nothing in writing saying the companies are not allowed to hire outside the union....yes or no?

Depends on union contracts, mine no. If you are hired, you are required to join the union. It was 500 bucks initiation and first quarters dues, with 80 bucks a month union dues. Nothing anyone making 40k couldn't afford.

[naplesE30]

Bullshit? I don't BS. Condoning violence? I just gave a different perspective. The longshoreman aren't asking for raises are they? They just want to keep what is rightfully their work...their work. Is there anything else I'm missing? I sense some hate in your tone...why? Being underpaid is subjective. I'll ask you this...let's say you make $20/hr and your gang (10 others) helps move 30 containers an hour and the company makes $500 per container. Multiply that by thousands in every port and you get the idea. It's all relative. Who breathes the asbestos from the brake linings and other wear items? who lives in the polluted areas? who risks being ran over or crushed by containers and heavy equipment everyday? What's a limb worth?

Youre an idoit. You have been so brainwashed by union mentality you have lost youre ability to independently think.

And work is not a right, nor is a job, or welfare. I hope they throw the book at the unioun idiots and they have a nice fat permanent felony on their criminal record.

[e30e]

Youre an idoit. You have been so brainwashed by union mentality you have lost youre ability to independently think.

And work is not a right, nor is a job, or welfare. I hope they throw the book at the unioun idiots and they have a nice fat permanent felony on their criminal record.

Work isn't a right, correct. Some states have given unions and workers "rights" when it comes to there careers, professions, and job status. Once again I'm not saying violence is answer.

[DaveSmed]

I really find it hard to have any kind of sympathy for the company, you try to screw people over that badly your going to eventually get bitten. The vandalism was wrong, but it couldn't have happened to a more deserving recipient.

First of all, the company in question, EGT Development, managed to get a special state tax exemption because of their promise of bringing jobs to the area.

Next they managed to bully the port commissioners to seize land from a private company based IN Washington, via eminent domain, for a conglomerate based elsewhere by threatening to take their grain elevator (and promised jobs!) elsewhere.



So they get a sweetheart lease from the Port of Longview, tax exemption, and the land they want through eminent domain to create jobs. First order of business: Hire out of state construction workers to build the thing. That sure helped the Tacoma job market.

Ok, it's built. Now about hiring these workers from the Port....

http://tdn.com/news/local/article_41453e7a-b26d-11e0-838a-001cc4c002e0.html

EGT sued the port in January, claiming the company is not bound to hire ILWU labor on its 38-acre leased site. In response, Port of Longview attorneys have asked a judge to order EGT to honor its lease agreement, which includes the stipulation to hire Local 21 labor. Port attorneys said EGT's decision to hire General Construction does not change the port's legal position.

Bet those Tacoma workers are glad their taxes are subsidizing EGT now!

Wonder how EGT thanked them for that?





Is it really any wonder those guys had enough and fucked their fence up? The LEAST EGT could do is pay fair market value for the land and their share of the taxes if they are intent on fucking Tacoma's citizens. Keeping their end of the original agreement would be nice though.

[Adrian_Visser]

The way I see it unions put themselves out of work eventually by demanding too much of their employers.

I mean when GM was on the rocks a couple years ago they had to lay off a lot of workers in their Ontario plants. These workers after benefits and pension were making somewhere around $70/hr think of that as $40/hr ish for working on a production line doing a job that takes absolutely no education.

[cale]

Work isn't a right, correct. Some states have given unions and workers "rights" when it comes to there careers, professions, and job status. Once again I'm not saying violence is answer.

This is my point, unless there is documentation stating union members like reelizmpro SHALL be hired to do the work then he has no argument. Saying that that is how it always been and attempting to use that as an argument to claim rights is ridiculous, no matter how many like minded individuals you gather together. The reason there are unions is to strike fear into corporations who succumb to the pressures of mobs, one on one they'd get what they deserve....a swift boot to the ass onto the street for the vandalism written about in that article.

[Fusion]

Damn am I glad the unions over here are lead by old retarded people.

Don't like your job? GTFO. Simple as that.

[DaveSmed]

This wouldn't have been an issue if EGT Development bought their own land, built their own port, paid their taxes, and put their grain elevator there.

They do that, they can hire whoever the hell they want, pay them whatever they want, and no one would have one thing to bitch about. Maybe they would be REALLY successful, the free market would do it's thing and the Port of Longview would close, who knows?

As soon as the local government went to give a handjob to some multi-national conglomerate that promised the world, everything went to shit.

The Port of Longview is staffed by Longshoremen. The lease agreement EGT Development has with the port includes the Longshoremen's jobs. If they didn't like it, if they did not want union labor, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE SIGNED THE FUCKING LEASE!

[joshh]

Lately I hate the fact that I hold a union book or 2. Guilty by association, even though I dont condone anything like this at all. There are better ways around this than violence and destruction destruction. It disgusts me just as much as you josh


I hang my head in shame to even be be associated with these people, even if the only commonality we have is the fact we are union employes.

And that's why I don't blame those who are in the Union that do not do these types of things. It's just become more common and headline material. I realize not all Union members are that way.

If you lack the education or skills to get a decent paying job, then aquire them. But you constantly bemoaning what others earn is laughable.

That one went right over your head. So much for your intellectuality. Oh wait, I said you were far too intellectual....more proof. "Others"....try to narrow that down a bit next time McFly.

This wouldn't have been an issue if EGT Development bought their own land, built their own port, paid their taxes, and put their grain elevator there.

They do that, they can hire whoever the hell they want, pay them whatever they want, and no one would have one thing to bitch about. Maybe they would be REALLY successful, the free market would do it's thing and the Port of Longview would close, who knows?

As soon as the local government went to give a handjob to some multi-national conglomerate that promised the world, everything went to shit.

The Port of Longview is staffed by Longshoremen. The lease agreement EGT Development has with the port includes the Longshoremen's jobs. If they didn't like it, if they did not want union labor, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE SIGNED THE FUCKING LEASE!

I have no idea what their lease says but they simply hired a different Union.

[DaveSmed]

They simply broke their lease.

[joshh]

They simply broke their lease.

You know what the lease says? Does it say specifically that Union?

[cale]

This wouldn't have been an issue if EGT Development bought their own land, built their own port, paid their taxes, and put their grain elevator there.

They do that, they can hire whoever the hell they want, pay them whatever they want, and no one would have one thing to bitch about. Maybe they would be REALLY successful, the free market would do it's thing and the Port of Longview would close, who knows?

As soon as the local government went to give a handjob to some multi-national conglomerate that promised the world, everything went to shit.

The Port of Longview is staffed by Longshoremen. The lease agreement EGT Development has with the port includes the Longshoremen's jobs. If they didn't like it, if they did not want union labor, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE SIGNED THE FUCKING LEASE!

If that's the case it'll be enforced or dealt with in court, it doesn't justify criminal activity though.

[DaveSmed]

Port of Longview attorneys have asked a judge to order EGT to honor its lease agreement, which includes the stipulation to hire Local 21 labor.

http://tdn.com/news/local/article_41453e7a-b26d-11e0-838a-001cc4c002e0.html

Seems to be the case.

I'll try to track down a secondary source later. If this info is correct, EGT is absolutely rotten in what they are doing.

[joshh]

If that's the case it'll be enforced or dealt with in court, it doesn't justify criminal activity though.

Once again someone nails it. If the lease says that Union then they are held to that contract. That doesn't seem to be what's going on though. They just think they should get the work. Or that's what several of these stories are indicating.

[DaveSmed]

If that's the case it'll be enforced or dealt with in court, it doesn't justify criminal activity though.

Absolutely agreed. The days of dealing with things "that way" are gone. They should stick it to them hard in court, but we all know how long that takes. The guys affected are obviously a bit fed up with getting shafted, so while I absolutely do not condone the violence, I can understand why it led to it.


Little pisses me off more than corporations sticking their hand out for a nice fat check or tax shelter from the government, then turning around and blasting individuals who do the same thing all while simultaneously screwing their own workers.