Canada exits Kyoto?

[joshh]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-1...-protocol.html




Fuck yeah Canada. OIL OIL OIL!!!

[herbivor]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-1...-protocol.html




Fuck yeah Canada. OIL OIL OIL!!!

So you're cheering for more pollution? You should visit China sometime. I think you'd like what they do there. No regulations and plenty of pollution.

[M-technik-3]

Not cheering on pollution just cheering on the fact that certain countries are being held to different standards and it's not right. Canada obviously doesn't want to pay fines nor have to purchase credits when they are trying to foster growth in their country and if they are forced to shut down the oil fields then they are going to have to pay unemployment to works and such.

It's far easier to just pull out of the treaty. I am wondering when Germany will do it, I set up dates to shut down all of it's Nuclear plants and doesn't have the immediate infrastructure to support Electricty with out them.

Be interesting to see what happens as sanctions against Iran seem to be looming.

[gwb72tii]

actually its easier to pretend windmills, solar, and hamsters running in a cage are saviors to the worlds energy needs

[Rustyduktape]

And its even easier to pretend fossil fuels will sustain our living habits for the rest of human existence...

but thats just my opinion.

[slammin.e28]

And its even easier to pretend fossil fuels will sustain our living habits for the rest of human existence...

Use 'em while we got 'em, and take that time to perfect renewable energy and get the costs down.

We don't need all this radical change to renewable shit right now. We're not ready for it. Give it time, and it will come out on top.

[Rustyduktape]

Use 'em while we got 'em, and take that time to perfect renewable energy and get the costs down.

We don't need all this radical change to renewable shit right now. We're not ready for it. Give it time, and it will come out on top.

I agree for the most part. we obviously can't immediately switch, our infrastructure needs a major overhaul and it will take a long time since our current infrastructure has been built around fossil fuels. I am a firm believer in natural gas and its benefits, especially because of its abundance in North America, and how it will be used to help us transition to a renewable based energy infrastructure. My statement was a bit radical, and somewhat ignorant because there are so many variables that play into it, and there is no one right answer. I don't usually put in my opinion because I hate to feel biased, and I don't like to talk about things I don't know much about. The more I study Environmental Policy in school, the more I find out I dont know anything, haha. I have learned that it's a constant balance between Social, Economic, and Sustainable factors, and that all three need to be taken into account when assessing any issue that involves our environment (in its' most broad connotation).

[slammin.e28]

I agree for the most part. we obviously can't immediately switch, our infrastructure needs a major overhaul and it will take a long time since our current infrastructure has been built around fossil fuels. I am a firm believer in natural gas and its benefits, especially because of its abundance in North America, and how it will be used to help us transition to a renewable based energy infrastructure. My statement was a bit radical, and somewhat ignorant because there are so many variables that play into it, and there is no one right answer. I don't usually put in my opinion because I hate to feel biased, and I don't like to talk about things I don't know much about. The more I study Environmental Policy in school, the more I find out I dont know anything, haha. I have learned that it's a constant balance between Social, Economic, and Sustainable factors, and that all three need to be taken into account when assessing any issue that involves our environment (in its' most broad connotation).

:up::up:

I'm not against "going green", but I'm not for the radical oh lets dumb fossil fuels right now and make everyone go green through regulation type. Technology will progress naturally to fill the need for better, cleaner ways to power our society. We're not going to run out of fossil fuels and just stop. We're going to make cleaner, renewable sources of energy work better and cheaper and more efficiently. I hate how people get in this "must go green NOW the world is going to end" shit. It's ignorant bandwagon talk.

[nrubenstein]

Kyoto was a fucking stupid idea. I suspect that we could get a lot mor beans for our buck (if we care to) by subsidizing pollution controls in countries that pollute heavily. We can get a lot more out of that than the marginal benefits from the hyper expensive pollution controls we are rolling out at home.

And I for one have been to China. I was particularly impressed by Xian, where I never saw the sun once over several days. In spite of the fact that there were no clouds the whole time. Unregulated coal smoke is fucking awful.

[gwb72tii]

Kyoto was a fucking stupid idea. I suspect that we could get a lot mor beans for our buck (if we care to) by subsidizing pollution controls in countries that pollute heavily. We can get a lot more out of that than the marginal benefits from the hyper expensive pollution controls we are rolling out at home.

And I for one have been to China. I was particularly impressed by Xian, where I never saw the sun once over several days. In spite of the fact that there were no clouds the whole time. Unregulated coal smoke is fucking awful.

at least the usa continues to get cleaner
i grew up in the bay area, went to san jose state, and rarely could see the east foothils which were about 10 miles from the campus because of the air pollution

[M-technik-3]

at least the usa continues to get cleaner
i grew up in the bay area, went to san jose state, and rarely could see the east foothils which were about 10 miles from the campus because of the air pollution

See I find that not to be true right now. Ever since the downfall in the economy I have noticed more trash just being discarded on the side of the road these days. I for one can't stand seeing trash on the side of the roads.

Air pollution has gotten much better, but we get acid rain from the Far East as many of the developing nations don not enforce stringent pollution controls. Heck look at the US in old photos from the roaring twenties, black billowing soot clouds were everywhere.

[otto325e]

Two words: Carbon Capture Technology!

Not that I have a clue where the money is coming from but looks like a good a amount was invested recently. The only problem is that the energy used for capturing and processing it is 25-40% of what the plants produce!

[herbivor]

And I for one have been to China. I was particularly impressed by Xian, where I never saw the sun once over several days. In spite of the fact that there were no clouds the whole time. Unregulated coal smoke is fucking awful.

Xian was a mess when I visited. People were selling Pomegranate fruit on the side of the road. Our local guide told us they are laced with mercury and not to eat any of the fruit from Xian, yet all the locals eat it!! Chengdu and Beijing were just as bad from a pollution standpoint. Anyone who is against the EPA or environmental regulations need only to visit China (or most any other 2nd world large cities) to see what the outcome would be.

[M-technik-3]

I used to live in South Korea in the mid 80's and at that time it was extremely polluted as well. I rode on many occasion with the South Korean Olympic cycling team as they trained locally and it was tough to breath on the rides.

Nobody is asking for the EPA to go away but the idea of buying a pollution credit is not the answer.

[cale]

The Kyoto protocol was definitely flawed to begin with and left little room for growth of infrastructure went. Being such a small population with incredibly large amounts of resources, we are going to exceed what we thought we'd be producing for co2 now that our production has skyrocketed. As for simply saying fuck you to the agreement instead of having the fat cats who's made billions, no sir....that's unacceptable.