Health Care Law Massacred in Supreme Court

[Vedubin01]

that has a lot to do with the FDA.

[CorvallisBMW]

How exactly?

[z31maniac]

Well isn't this interesting:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/01/08/us-deaths-rankings-idUSN0765165020080108

France best, U.S. worst in preventable death ranking

I'd still like to see that correlated with the overall health of Americans.

That is something that always seems to be glazed over during these discussions.

If you're unhealthy, the likelyhood you will die from a "treatable condition" is dramatically increased.

[Vedubin01]

people with cancer and other life threatening illnesses seek other countries for treatment to medicines that have not been approved by the FDA. There is many medicines that have shown great results that the FDA has not approved or has denied.

[Bill 84 318i]

people with cancer and other life threatening illnesses seek other countries for treatment to medicines that have not been approved by the FDA. There is many medicines that have shown great results that the FDA has not approved or has denied.

He said exactly.

Substantiate.

[Vedubin01]

He said exactly.

Substantiate.

I think CorvallisBMW is big enough to handle his own questions,!

google "treatment not approved in the US", you might find some answers

[Bill 84 318i]

I think CorvallisBMW is big enough to handle his own questions,!

google treatment not approved in the US, you might find some answers

Come on man, he wanted you explain. He was probably even condescending to prove a point, which is that you don't have one.

Generic googling doesn't do a damn thing for me. Google could prove to you we never went to the moon.

Show me some studies or statistics where people leave the US in more than an anecdotal manner to receive better care, with quantifiably better results, and we'll talk. Really, I'm open to it.

[Vedubin01]

stem cell treatments and therapy for 1

[CorvallisBMW]

So you're saying the reason we're 19th in terms of preventable deaths instead of 1st is because the FDA will not approve new treatments for heart disease, stroke, cancer, diabetes, bacterial infections and surgery complications? Seriously?

It has nothing to do with the fact that that 20% of Americans are uninsured, that we pay more for medicine than any other country on earth, that we're the only first world country on earth who doesn't provide coverage for it's own citizens, that we have the worst rate of cost per outcome, .....?

[HarryPotter]

So you're saying the reason we're 19th in terms of preventable deaths instead of 1st is because the FDA will not approve new treatments for heart disease, stroke, cancer, diabetes, bacterial infections and surgery complications? Seriously?

It has nothing to do with the fact that that 20% of Americans are uninsured, that we pay more for medicine than any other country on earth, that we're the only first world country on earth who doesn't provide coverage for it's own citizens, that we have the worst rate of cost per outcome, .....?

Please do not start tossing around that 20% rate. It's a fallacy. When's the last time somebody visited the emergency room and was turned down? Oh that's right it doesn't happen.

[CorvallisBMW]

Please do not start tossing around that 20% rate. It's a fallacy. When's the last time somebody visited the emergency room and was turned down? Oh that's right it doesn't happen.

20% are uninsured. That's a fact. I didn't say 20% can't get emergency medical treatment if they show up to an emergency room. You seem to be confused.

[RobertK]

Ummm no personal responsibly is pretty much the opposite of communism

If people were self motivated and personally responsible they could afford to pay for their own heatlh care.

Since when did it become my responsibility to take up the slack for those unable to pull their own weight?

So you're saying the reason we're 19th in terms of preventable deaths instead of 1st is because the FDA will not approve new treatments for heart disease, stroke, cancer, diabetes, bacterial infections and surgery complications? Seriously?

It has nothing to do with the fact that that 20% of Americans are uninsured, that we pay more for medicine than any other country on earth, that we're the only first world country on earth who doesn't provide coverage for it's own citizens, that we have the worst rate of cost per outcome, .....?

This health care law does NOTHING to address any of those concerns. Those problem have more to do with how the the health care system is run by the ADA / FDA. The reason our system sucks is because the industry as a whole cares more about residual profits from chemical bandaids than actually providing cures and preventative aid.

Once of prevention = pound of cure but a long term prescription = customer for life.

You cannot rely on the US health care system if you actually want to improve your life anymore as they only want to provide you with a daily crutch.

[joshh]

Please do not start tossing around that 20% rate. It's a fallacy. When's the last time somebody visited the emergency room and was turned down? Oh that's right it doesn't happen.

That put the hammer down on the bullshit that comes out of Corvs mouth.

Or maybe lifestyle has more to do with it. Where we pay people to eat like shit and not work.

[CorvallisBMW]

That put the hammer down on the bullshit that comes out of Corvs mouth.

Or maybe lifestyle has more to do with it. Where we pay people to eat like shit and not work.

LOL you apparently are confused by English as well...

All those countries who rank higher than us in that study also have programs like unemployment insurance and food stamps. In fact, their programs are even more robust than ours. So you can't blame it on that. Nice try though.

[rwh11385]

LOL you apparently are confused by English as well...

All those countries who rank higher than us in that study also have programs like unemployment insurance and food stamps. In fact, their programs are even more robust than ours. So you can't blame it on that. Nice try though.

joshh is a right-wing crazie with no real ability to find good information or analysis. You have to remember, many people have the complete lack of ability or interest to think critically about problems past what pundits tell them to think.

20% are uninsured. That's a fact. I didn't say 20% can't get emergency medical treatment if they show up to an emergency room. You seem to be confused.

However, the actual number for uninsured Americans is ~16%, not 20%.

As Ken has said and RobertK has mentioned, along with myself, that simply making everyone insured will not drastically make it more affordable (irony of calling it the affordable care act). There are deep issues at hand, much more complicated than the majority of Americans actually care to deal with.

And given the health choices of many Americans, it would be hard to have our outcomes better than other countries, like France who eat better and work less, even if our system was superior.

The goal shouldn't be about driving down a statistic that doesn't necessarily yield true results, but instead focus on better outcomes from less costly inputs. (And better health promotion and private programs, personal responsibility). Even with an individual mandate, the penalty exists for non-coverage which doesn't make it absolutely sure that there won't be uninsured persons. If we strive (primarily health care providers, plans, and technologies private companies, rather than some politician solving things) to improve results of care and making better care affordable, then we'll be in a better place than hanging our hat on just having fewer uninsured.