When CCW saves peoples lives thread.

[deutschman]

Has anyone on R3V ever had to use their CCW in self defense? Would be interesting to hear about that. I know a lot f people who have a CCW but Iv never met anyone who has had to use their weapon (maybe not shoot it but pull it).
Personally if I had a CCW permit I do t think if end up usin it unless I planned to go certain places. Maybe just keep the pistol in my truck/car in a lock box.

[accident]

The quote button next to your post was closest to my mouse pointer. I'm lazy ;)

[smooth]

you should be quoting DER E30, not me

he's the one arguing for reasonable gun legislation to make sure only responsible adults can carry concealed weapons


and just for the record, you should probably keep your misinformed opinions about LA to yourself. I don't post bullshit about phoenix, az so kindly stop doing so about my city and state

[accident]

so you're ok with gun legislation to make sure that only responsible people can carry?

It already exists, it doesn't work. California is full of anti-gun legislation, including their almost impossible CCW permitting process. Take a walk through certain areas of Los Angeles and I'm sure you'll be presented at least one gun in demand for your wallet. Society has proven time and time again that passing laws making things illegal does very little to stop things. People still do drugs, people still drive drunk, people still drive without licenses, and people who are not legally allowed to own firearms still own firearms.

Legislation barring the ownership and carrying of weapons only affects honest people.

[smooth]

so your idea of reasonable gun legislation is being 21 or over and taking a class?

why is it ok to diminish the constitutional rights of people 18-20?
is it ok to implement classes for other constitutional rights? voting? speech? religion? where do you suggest we draw the line?

[DER E30]

In my state its 21...

SO how 'bout we have a flipping class for carrying and then we can carry wherever the hell we like, including schools and whatnot, EVERYWHERE.

Would that make you happy?

[smooth]

we don't even automatically assume 18 year olds are mature enough to drive a car or buy alcohol, but your only criteria for carrying a concealed, loaded firearm in public is being 18 years old or older?

[DER E30]

I guess adults should already be assumed responsible to be able to take on the responsibility to carry...

Would you rather live in a world where you were automatically assumed responsible? Or treated like a child forever? Or have to take a test that "determines" weather you are responsible or not.

[smooth]

lol, I'm not the one who brought it up you did:
"I really don't understand how having responsible adults carrying guns that NOBODY notices is a problem for anybody..."

[DER E30]

But how are you going to determine "responsible" or "irresponsible?"

See this is where we end up deadlocked I guess, 'cause I don't want say yes to your question and harm the rights of everyone, and make it a major PITA to carry (or nearly impossible) like some states are, because I do believe that most that carry are responsible already. It is a BIG step to carry a gun and should not be taken lightly. I believe that most that carry understand that and are safe to others when they do carry...

I also don't want to say no because there presumable ARE a FEW that are irresponsible, and you would let the few ruin it for the rest of us...

In all I wonder why guns only are so targeted, when other things kill people too...

[smooth]

I really don't understand how having responsible adults carrying guns that NOBODY notices is a problem for anybody... Don't ask, don't tell, concealed is concealed... I've NEVER seen a person packing, but this one guy open carrying in a Wendy's, and it didn't bother me a bit. A person with bad intent in the store would shoot him first, giving me time to draw...

so you're ok with gun legislation to make sure that only responsible people can carry?

[DER E30]

I really don't understand how having responsible adults carrying guns that NOBODY notices is a problem for anybody... Don't ask, don't tell, concealed is concealed... I've NEVER seen a person packing, but this one guy open carrying in a Wendy's, and it didn't bother me a bit. A person with bad intent in the store would shoot him first, giving me time to draw...

[smooth]

You're totally right and I apologize. Changed, but happy to have it on record.

Uncalled for.

Seriously. I'm sorry.

you really don't have anything to apologize for. he is acting the same way in the other threads that's he's whining about in here. and he did it after his panties got all wadded up in this thread.

I mean, for personal reasons if you don't like behaving like that by all means, but judging by the way he treats others there isn't any reason to treat him with a modicum of respect beyond what he gives others, which isn't much from his posts so far.

[ParsedOut]

luckily I took the time to gain the credentials to actually make positive changes in this country to minimize the damage people like you do to it

Keep stroking it...

[einhander]

I meant in general, homey.

This is one of those debates when everyone has a good point. I'm out.