When CCW saves peoples lives thread.

[einhander]

Almost every State in union's CCW laws bar carry in Govt owned buildings/facilities fed, state, or local. What was your point??? Come on you know that its not a right that you have to be gun free there its the law, and your still exposed to firearms there, they are just in the hands of the agents of the govt ONLY thats all.... Again what is the point your trying to make

I'm pointing out that there are laws that infringe on your rights to carry that you don't give a fuck about, but then you get all up in arms when someone tries to introduce other logical and reasonable arguments into the discussion.

The main issue here is that I'd rather have government policing public space than idiots like ParsedOut and his quick to trigger six shooter.

I'm not wading into the whole protect your home debate. I've a gun for that very reason. I'm just on the other side of the debate when it comes to CC.

[cale]

What Farbin got from the last page of this thread.

smooth is the guy whos house would be the safest to break into and rob blind. I bet an industrious fellow could pull it off with a tire thumper and a sharpened stick, just don't brandish it in front of his child/children.

An unexpected baseball bat to the face as someone rounds a corner in your house would have the robber wishing he had picked another house. The belief that a firearm is the sole method for defending ones self is laughable. Hell, defense and firearm could almost be read as a synonym in this thread, IMO evidentiary of an overdependence on them.

Way to disregard all of his solid points and make fun of him when he very obviously believes home defense with a firearm is a an acceptable personal choice, certainly make yourself look intelligent here.

[mrsleeve]

It's nice of you to drop in from your fantasy world.

In South Carolina (or is it North?), you can carry guns in public buildings outside of government offices...they're banned in those places. You have the right to be there gun-free.

So, there goes your assertion and, while were at it, there goes a pro-firearm state government blowing holes in carry laws with its own twisted hypocrisy.

Almost every State in union's CCW laws bar carry in Govt owned buildings/facilities fed, state, or local. What was your point??? Come on you know that its not a right that you have to be gun free there its the law, and your still exposed to firearms there, they are just in the hands of the agents of the govt ONLY thats all.... Again what is the point your trying to make

[einhander]

You love to give people shit for lack of reading comprehension but you missed it all together. smooth was complaining about no one considering his rights to be in a gun-free environment, he has no right to such in public (save for a few exceptions). Of course gun rights are being infringed upon, but that's another topic that you can troll when it comes around.

You're right, I didn't read what he wrote.

I just find your posts hilarious because they're dripping with fanciful bullshit.

[Farbin Kaiber]

What Farbin got from the last page of this thread.

smooth is the guy whos house would be the safest to break into and rob blind. I bet an industrious fellow could pull it off with a tire thumper and a sharpened stick, just don't brandish it in front of his child/children.

[ParsedOut]

Laughing. All the time.

"You people can have your guns sometimes, but not all the time."

That seems like infringement to me.

Why do you think they have the law written like this? Because they think gun wielding yahoos are safe or not safe?

You love to give people shit for lack of reading comprehension but you missed it all together. smooth was complaining about no one considering his rights to be in a gun-free environment, he has no right to such in public (save for a few exceptions). Of course gun rights are being infringed upon, but that's another topic that you can troll when it comes around.

[einhander]

Laughing. All the time.

"You people can have your guns sometimes, but not all the time."

That seems like infringement to me.

Why do you think they have the law written like this? Because they think gun wielding yahoos are safe or not safe?

[ParsedOut]

It's nice of you to drop in from your fantasy world.

In South Carolina (or is it North?), you can carry guns in public buildings outside of government offices...they're banned in those places. You have the right to be there gun-free.

So, there goes your assertion and, while were at it, there goes a pro-firearm state government blowing holes in carry laws with its own twisted hypocrisy.

Nice of you to drop in as well, figured I'd draw you in. If you chose to READ my statement I said "all the time"...an important qualifier to my point.

Move along troll, don't bother me...move along troll, don't bother me.

[einhander]

You say that you're not anti-gun but then you say stuff like this. You have no right to be in a gun-free zone all the time while in public. You live in the United States of America. You can't claim we are infringing on rights you simply do not have. You have the choice to move to the protectionist states or to another country where only criminals and cops have guns...not sure about you but I wouldn't be willing to bet on those odds.

It's nice of you to drop in from your fantasy world.

In South Carolina (or is it North?), you can carry guns in public buildings outside of government offices...they're banned in those places. You have the right to be there gun-free.

So, there goes your assertion and, while were at it, there goes a pro-firearm state government blowing holes in carry laws with its own twisted hypocrisy.

[mrsleeve]

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you cant do one with out the other and we would have to take all the firearms from the Govt if your wanting to keep them out of the hands of criminal elements

We have plenty of laws on the books that are intended to those ends. They seem to be fairly effective because most prohibited persons on the data base resort to theft or other unlawful means to gain access to firearms for what ever reason.

[frankenbeemer]

It's a nagging question smooth has alluded to: How to keep guns out of the hands of the irresponsible or criminal elements without limiting the individual right of self defense? Possibly off topic though.

[ParsedOut]

I don't have a problem with guns not do I think they're evil. I have a problem with people like you who can't seem to respect other peoples rights because you think your rights are the only ones that matter.

You say that you're not anti-gun but then you say stuff like this. You have no right to be in a gun-free zone all the time while in public. You live in the United States of America. You can't claim we are infringing on rights you simply do not have. You have the choice to move to the protectionist states or to another country where only criminals and cops have guns...not sure about you but I wouldn't be willing to bet on those odds.

[smooth]

Oh ok well I wasn't trying to be mini modding just voicing my opinion about the differences as I saw them :)

[mrsleeve]

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Gotcha, if you look back through this fred, you will see that it started as CCW thread but has some what morphed into more of a legal defense with a fire arm, even if no shots were fired fred, fred.

[smooth]

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While all that is true why do I have to rely on the state to protect me outside of my own property, when there is NO constitutional duty for those persons to protect me if they feel their life will be put into peril??? Why should my rights to defend myself or family be suspended at my front door or Property line if I am accosted some place else I have every right to be as well???? My rights to defend my own life should be suspend in favor of the state taking over that responsibly as soon as I leave my house is this really what you advocate for????

nope, where did I argue for gun control ccw or otherwise? you should carry a firearm if that's what you feel you need to survive the dangerous streets of the US in normal everyday life.

I simply pointed out that your story about home defense doesn't fall under a CCW discussion because it's simply not relevant. One doesn't need a CCW permit, or any permit as far as I'm aware of, to own a firearm in the home. so posting a story about a home owner saving her life is a feel good story but doesn't add much to the discussion in terms of illustrating the need for CCW.

Also, everyone in the middle of the debate doesn't care about home ownership. the discussion is about guns in the streets. that's all I was saying and as far as I know I haven't said anything else about the matter other than to say it's your right to lobby to do whatever you want in the streets without any kind of regulation just as much as its my right to say there should at least be sensible laws about the matter.