David Frum

[CorvallisBMW]

Anyone else read any of his books/articles/blogs? I really like him and his views, one of only a few conservatives I overwhelmingly agree with. He did a very good article today for CNN on the current debate (or lack thereof) on gun policy and what drives it.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/30/opinio...ss_igoogle_cnn

[z31maniac]

Good article, with some good data/analysis.

I'm another "for gun rights" but don't actually own one myself. I haven't even shot a gun in 12-13 years.

[mrsleeve]

Could the reduction in crime rates hes talking about since the early 90's hes referring too be because of this

http://www.handgunlaw.us/images/right-to-carry-history.gif

kind of casts shades of doubt to his entire argument, some times its what is not said that speaks the loudest. Nice try though.


Little more hole poking.................... I read yours, now you read mine

http://www.nssf.org/share/BP2/2006/060506.htm?AoI=media

[CorvallisBMW]

Except that there's absolutely no data to even hint that "right to carry" in any way leads to reduced crime. Correlation =\= causation

Nice try though ;)

[z31maniac]

Could the reduction in crime rates hes talking about since the early 90's hes referring too be because of this

http://www.handgunlaw.us/images/right-to-carry-history.gif

kind of casts shades of doubt to his entire argument, some times its what is not said that speaks the loudest. Nice try though.


Little more hole poking.................... I read yours, now you read mine

http://www.nssf.org/share/BP2/2006/060506.htm?AoI=media

Or you could go with the Freakonomics theory that legalized abortion caused it..............

[herbivor]

But most of the time, gun owners are frightening themselves irrationally. They have conjured in their own imaginations a much more terrifying environment than genuinely exists -- and they are living a fantasy about the security their guns will bestow.

This is my point. I'm more afraid of cancer and heart disease than terrorists and violent criminals. I find it ironic that a few of my friends that carry or own guns are also overweight and generally unhealthy. They're afraid of the wrong killer.

[mrsleeve]

Except that there's absolutely no data to even hint that "right to carry" in any way leads to reduced crime. Correlation =\= causation

Nice try though ;)

other than the fact that when those states passes said laws the crime rates mestiriously dropped shortly after passage


must be a coincidence many many times in row


Good try again

[mechdonald]

wait... isn't David Frum from Canada? :)

[CorvallisBMW]

other than the fact that when those states passes said laws the crime rates mestiriously dropped shortly after passage


must be a coincidence many many times in row


Good try again

Got any proof that open carry laws caused those drop in crime rates? I'd like to see it.

And please note that I'm talking about actual causation, not just correlation. If those laws were passed at the same time as other crime laws, or at the same time as an improvement in the economic situation, or any number of other things that effect crime rates, you cannot single out that one single variable as the driving force behind the results.

Just like in your article you posted. Simply because gun sales rose slightly during the same period that crime dropped slightly does not, in any way, prove that more guns cause less crime. 2 things often happen at the same time that are completely unrelated. For instance, this morning I took a shit right about at sunrise. But I do not go around believing that dropping a deuce caused the sun to rise

[Wh33lhop]

Well I just hope Darin keeps taking those early morning shits or we're all fucked.