i challenge you to watch this entire video and then respond

[LBJefferies]

Watched it, the points he "said" Christians make weren't very strong so of course his points are going to sound good to the audience. And his points were not relevant according to what the Bible even says. Example, he didnt disprove any of the verses about "trivial" or "vague" prophecies, he just made jokes about them. I want to see him do that with Isaiah, a major prophet. And him pointing out obvious things and Joking around with everything was his own distraction for you guys, so its not just "Christian" that will detour the point of the question

It's not his job to disprove anything. Christians are the ones making the positive claim, and the burden of proof lies with them.

[Cliche Guevara]

Watched it, the points he "said" Christians make weren't very strong so of course his points are going to sound good to the audience. And his points were not relevant according to what the Bible even says. Example, he didnt disprove any of the verses about "trivial" or "vague" prophecies, he just made jokes about them. I want to see him do that with Isaiah, a major prophet. And him pointing out obvious things and Joking around with everything was his own distraction for you guys, so its not just "Christian" that will detour the point of the question

Could you elaborate on those prophecies?

[frankenbeemer]

I struggled to get to 6:22. The sham-wow guy is better. How about some Hitchens?

Just wanted to add: I wouldn't even want to share a beer with Eberhard. Maybe it's a generation gap thing, he just turns me off. Not saying he's wrong. On the other hand, Neil deGrasse Tyson is a talented and engaging communicator. Good stuff.

[BraveUlysses]

You don't need to be a lefty to see through religious bullshit.

Furthermore, the implication that discussing a video about atheism is somehow 'intolerance' is intellectual dishonesty at it's finest.

[yeaseth]

The whole book of Isaiah is full of his prophesies and there's a lot more out there. But one I personally like happened 700 years before Jesus was born from the virgin Mary. Its from Isaiah 7, Specificly verse 14. "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel". (Immanuel means- God with us) And thats how it is explained to have happened in the 4 gospels and confirmed by other books as well. Thanks for the interest guys

[Cliche Guevara]

The whole book of Isaiah is full of his prophesies and there's a lot more out there. But one I personally like happened 700 years before Jesus was born from the virgin Mary. Its from Isaiah 7, Specificly verse 14. "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel". (Immanuel means- God with us) And thats how it is explained to have happened in the 4 gospels and confirmed by other books as well. Thanks for the interest guys

If you think Jesus was the first person to claim he was a savior then you're incredibly naive. He just happened to come at a time that apparently lined up with one of the many woefully unimpressive prophecies made in the old testament.

[joshh]

How many of these fucking threads do we need?

[yeaseth]

If you think Jesus was the first person to claim he was a savior then you're incredibly naive. He just happened to come at a time that apparently lined up with one of the many woefully unimpressive prophecies made in the old testament.

When did I say that He was the first one to claim He was the savior... If you want to give unbelievers some credibility you can't be putting words in people mouths. And name calling doesn't help your credibility either, Thanks

[Q5Quint]

Confirming that athiests have the worst bake sales.

[herbivor]

The video was so so. I think he makes an excellent point that people do not choose what they believe. Although beliefs can be changed through rational contemplation, most religious people do not posses the desire or intelligence to do so. If you truly believed in a loving God, what motivation do you have to want to question that? The contemplation will only occur when one is forced to AND possess the intelligence to think rationally about it. For some people that will never happen.

[cale]

most religious people do not posses the desire or intelligence to do so

Im not so willing to believe this to be the case for most. I think the majority simply accept it because it's been such a strong part of their entire life and that's hard to dismiss for them.

I will however make the claim that the majority who turn away from faith would be on the higher scale of intelligence if you were to measure the intellect of all theists. I say this because intelligence is the ability to comprehend, learn and rationalize. Failing to do these things is a sign of a lack of intelligence. This isn't to say theists are dumb, just the ones who escape it are not likely to be mouth breathers. I'm talking about those who truly analyze their beliefs, not angsty teens.

[herbivor]

Im not so willing to believe this to be the case for most. I think the majority simply accept it because it's been such a strong part of their entire life and that's hard to dismiss for them.

I will however make the claim that the majority who turn away from faith would be on the higher scale of intelligence if you were to measure the intellect of all theists. I say this because intelligence is the ability to comprehend, learn and rationalize. Failing to do these things is a sign of a lack of intelligence. This isn't to say theists are dumb, just the ones who escape it are not likely to be mouth breathers. I'm talking about those who truly analyze their beliefs, not angsty teens.

IIRC I think a survey was done on scientists regarding their belief in God and it was found those scientists that were of highest intelligence such as Nobel prize winners, the belief in God dropped to only a few percent whereas the average university professors were closer to 40%. And then those university professors that were not in the scientific community and closer to average intelligence were closer to 70%. The survey basically showed that belief in God was for the most part inversely proportional to IQ. Einstein was an atheist, though many theists like to quote him because he does use the word "God" in many of his statements.

[cale]

IIRC I think a survey was done on scientists regarding their belief in God and it was found those scientists that were of highest intelligence such as Nobel prize winners, the belief in God dropped to only a few percent whereas the average university professors were closer to 40%. And then those university professors that were not in the scientific community and closer to average intelligence were closer to 70%. The survey basically showed that belief in God was for the most part inversely proportional to IQ. Einstein was an atheist, though many theists like to quote him because he does use the word "God" in many of his statements.

That is true, survey's involving the National Academy of Sciences shows extremely low numbers in belief of god. That isn't something one can simply ignore.

It is funny how quick groups will try to stake claim to a figurehead they think will validate their views. That and pass ownership on figures who make them look bad, ie. Einstein and Hitler. *yes both sides do it

[AbeSonic]

So I just saw this entire video but what I took from it is, just a better way to argue that God exists not facts or proof that he exists. Still it was a good video. :)

[ck_taft325is]

It's not his job to disprove anything. Christians are the ones making the positive claim, and the burden of proof lies with them.

Lol. I pee'd in your engine.


Watched it. Like watching a lot of sermons around town in any angry little man area. He's postulating that the belief in God(s) is detrimental to the supposition of our moral integrity as human beings. That's an ugly road to follow.