How come stuff like this is not on fox news?

[mrsleeve]

I am looking forward to this, I gots a buddy that should have control of the QA/QC on 2 or 3 of the pumping stations for the MT spreads. I might get to work with in 5 hours of my house for a while for a change

[z31maniac]

I just came here to laugh at the OP.

I wasn't disappointed.

[Lodsin]

Glad to know we have decent QC's in mericuh, keep doing what you do Sleeve.

[Dozyproductions]

Imminent Domain or not, I would think of it to be real shitty to see a pipe on my property. So technically no property in the united states is privately owned, but that's not the issue. Nice.

[mrsleeve]

Imminent Domain or not, I would think of it to be real shitty to see a pipe on my property. So technically no property in the united states is privately owned, but that's not the issue. Nice.

Once construction is complete you dont see it, its buried and there is grass growing on it, looks like a nice lawn or goes back to being general use farm land. That said, try not paying your property taxes for year or so, the govt will come and kick you off it and you are out what ever you have in it. You dont ever own your own land anymore with out paying your annual rents to the govt.

To stop projects like pipelines, wind farms, power lines, new rail road tracks, Roads and such. You have to have HUGE army of lawyers and hold wealth approaching 9 figures at minimum preferably 10 to have the money to fight it. Like Mr Mars (yes the mars bar guy) has been doing for a decade to stop a rail line form dividing his 80,0000ac southern Montana Ranch in 1/2. When he finally lost his bid to stop it, he just went and bought a controlling stake in the offending rail company, and is wanting to force his neighbors to suck up and deal with the new track and go around his place.

Also YES there is true Privately owned property in the US just not in the hands of the common man. The only truly private property in the US is land owned by the Rail Roads not even the Feds can fuck with RRoad ROW with a federal Imminent Domain, this all thanks to the land grant and mineral rights deals struck with the feds in the mid 1800's to get them to build the RR out west into the territories. The pipeline industry and the RR have been at odds since the very beginning. In fact its because of the RR that the pipeline industry even got started, Rockefeller was tried of getting hammered by Vanderbilt's ever increasing fees, for shipping Kerosene to the cities (NYC, in particular) for lighting and Crude to the refineries to make the shit. SO he began building pipelines to ship his products totally cutting the Rail Roads out of the system and starting the feud. To this day if a pipe line wants to cross a RR ROW. There is a Fee, A HUGE fee far beyond other land owners along the route, not only during construction like everyone else gets for purchase of ROW and Damages . The RR gets to charge that FEE EVERY FUCKING YEAR. Then we have whats going on in ND right now, we have the RR and Waren Buffet/Berkshire Hathaway who owns BNSF RR, effectively blocking lots of small oil gathering lines being built because hes hauling most of the Bakken shale oil to market or lager Pipeline Shipping terminals BY RAIL....

[Dozyproductions]

Thank you mr. sleeve. Crazy stuff!

[mrsleeve]

Welp Rhetoric and politics won out in the long run, cant say I am surprised one iota. The excuses of why not to issue a permit for 200 feet worth of pipeline are sad, poorly formulated and are not routed actual reality.... Rather politically based, and its kinda sad really..

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/obama-to-announce-rejection-of-keystone-pipeline-source/ar-CC2dXg?ocid=ansmsnnews11

[cale]

With our recently elected Liberal PM, I don't suspect we'll be piping it west to sell to China easily either.

[Wschnitz]

I don't know why there is a sob story in the first place about not building a pipeline, they built ~10 similar pipes since this story became a news frenzy in the first place. The XL was a political distraction In my opinion.

[mrsleeve]

NO NO they haven't

Competitors have reworked existing capacity to meet the same ends IE. Existing international boarder crossings, AFAIK there have been NO cross boarder permits issued since 2011 by this administration...... And that was the Northern Lights project from N MN to N IL

By doing this they have increased some import capacity, BUT still limited to the current number of crossing points. This is a more costly route to ship as many of those crossings are in Northern MN originally built in 50s-70s by Great lakes pipeline and MICH/WISC both have since been acquired by Enbridge in the last few decades..... To serve the mid western and eastern markets. These routes add about a 1000 miles to the mileage, and in doing so adds far more pumping stations and interchange points....

This was a political move no more no less.... This has nothing to do with whats good for the country.. I mean really 800k barrels of oil in capacity imported to the US every day for at least the next 30 years.... Hell even when you amortize it to an average for the life of the line and say 400k barrels a day figured at life time conservative average of 75 bucks a barrel is 30m a day in commerce so figure about a 11 BILLION a year average in commerce. This is nothing to sneeze at, and figured very conservatively