population growth rate slowing.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Yes, in fact 100% of 13 million is less than 50% of 308 million. I don't see how that does not make sense.

If it fixes it for you, lets go to 50%. 50% of 13,000,000 is still less than 50% of 308,000,000.

Either way, more people in the US now find homosexuality acceptable than was found acceptable in Ancient Greece then.

It does not matter how you chop/cut/parse the numbers.

More people find homosexuality acceptable now than then.

[rwh11385]

Yes, in fact 100% of 13 million is less than 50% of 308 million. I don't see how that does not make sense.

If it fixes it for you, lets go to 50%. 50% of 13,000,000 is still less than 50% of 308,000,000.

Either way, more people in the US now find homosexuality acceptable than was found acceptable in Ancient Greece then.

It does not matter how you chop/cut/parse the numbers.

More people find homosexuality acceptable now than then.

Maybe cale needs to dumb it down more, but these responses should be clear enough for all but the most simple of persons.

Pretty much every study dealing with statistics of a group of people is done so via percentage of that population so as to make the comparisons of differing groups possible, reliable and unbiased. I don't think he's pulling any hair out, but simply perplexed at how you are blatantly twisting all rules of statistics in your favor.

Who in their right mind defines acceptance by population and not by % of total?

Is it friendlier to be in a population of 10 million which 50% accept something or or 100 million with 6% accepting of it? By your "logic" the population with only 6% accepting of it would be more accepting than the former.

Using numbers in an illogical manner just hoping that throwing them around will help doesn't prove your position, just that you are ridiculous.

And you are still missing the point, like taking wild shots and missing the broad side of your barn. You can't compare numbers like you are attempting to.

What was the population of left-handed people in ancient Greece? It's going to be a smaller number than today's simply because of the growth in world population. But does that mean that nature influenced genetics of humans to make more lefties? No. That's just stupid because you are ignoring that you need, percentage of total not absolute total, to have any meaningful discussion.

You are only looking at the nominator and must factor in the denominator.

Don't multiply the % by population, just compare by %. Duh.

[Todd Black 88]

Well, lets do this purely on science, like some here need to do, and with proof, like rwh11385 always does.

If it's been proven that frogs change gender to resolve issues where there are not enough breeding pairs to sustain life...

http://www.genetics.org/content/164/2/613.full

It would therefore be probable that nature would also act upon a species to resolve the inverse.

So, yes, one would assume that if nature could modify physical traits to improve population, it would also stand to reason that nature could also modify mental concepts in a species to slow down overpopulation.

I agree, nature must be able to act upon a species to resolve inequalities or issues.
Perfect example in my mind is wars. How many millions of men have been lost in all the wars around the world in the last 200 years? They drastically out number the women lost, Yet the worlds population is still almost balanced between men and women. Last official list I saw, when back in university in the early 90's, was there were 101.5 men for every 100 women.

It would be interesting to see the male/female birthrate differences for the last 100 years specifically. (ww I&II)
Interesting?

[Farbin Kaiber]

I understand that 50% of past x is the same as 50% of present x. Regardless of population totals.

I'm saying there is no way to quantify the number 'past x' was.

[decay]

How many millions of men have been lost in all the wars around the world in the last 200 years? They drastically out number the women lost

citation needed.

plz to be including civilian casualties; you are "dead as result of conflict" whether an active combatant or not.

[rwh11385]

I understand that 50% of past x is the same as 50% of present x. Regardless of population totals.

I'm saying there is no way to quantify the number 'past x' was.

And yet you were confident enough to assert that total's world is the most widely socially accepting of homosexuality?

Looks like you invalidated your own claim.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Not sure if I'm srs or trollin'.


Hrmmmmm......

[cale]

I gave a % of the US population, as you state would be correct. I also gave a best case scenario % of the Ancient Greek population. As far as I can tell, I twisted the rules of statistics in HIS favor. I'm not seeing the issue here, maybe you could dumb it down so a simpleton could understand?

Yes, in fact 100% of 13 million is less than 50% of 308 million. I don't see how that does not make sense.

If it fixes it for you, lets go to 50%. 50% of 13,000,000 is still less than 50% of 308,000,000.

Either way, more people in the US now find homosexuality acceptable than was found acceptable in Ancient Greece then.

It does not matter how you chop/cut/parse the numbers.

More people find homosexuality acceptable now than then.

You use percentages because you can compare a country of 13 million to one with 300 million. You simply compare the percentages, comparing the actual numbers invalidates any argument you're trying to make, which you are doing.

[DaveNorCal]

Tempest in a teapot. Members of suspect classes, such as gays and lesbians, tend to try to keep their heads down hence it is difficult to guess the percentage of EXCLUSIVELY gay/lesbian (NEVER have had sexual relations with people of the opposite sex) people in most cultures but it is probably 1% or less given that the estimate is 3% are primarily or exculsively gay at any given time. Many gay/lesbian people have had children through heterosexual sex, perhaps half. THis is not a big enough portion of the populations to have any major effect on nations' fertility rates. Urbanization, economic gains, and access to birth control are far greater factors.

[decay]

self-quote

well, you did manage to make the thread about gay sex.

4/10.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Derail Complete. My work here is done.

[DaveNorCal]

Yup. It figures.