Mall shooting in Clackamas Oregon

[mrsleeve]

You assume I am not calm shame on you

[joshh]

Where in the OR statues dose it specify you must store your weapons in a safe or with a trigger lock when not in direct use???

Your home when your not it and locked up, is just as secure as your car parked in a public space or in your garage.

While I agree with you to a point, that you should keep your weapons secured, and while many of mine are locked up in the safe when not in use. But its pointless to keep weapons to defend your home, all locked up in the safe, if you cant get to them when you need them in a timely manner it kinda defeats the purpose does it not ???

Only a few states require retailers to sell weapons with trigger locks , as of 2010 only eight states supply such laws in their penal codes. These include, CA, MD, NJ, NY, Mass, MI, OH and PA. (IIRC there maybe a couple more). This is only at the retail level, it says nothing about enforcement once you have your weapon once you get home.

If your home is locked and you have a weapon in the closet or in the night stand how is that being irresponsible, its not any different than locking your car up on the street, in your drive, or at the mall. Your not being a irresponsible gun or car owner in either respect. Most of us have them locked up in a safe to protect our investments from fire and also theft in the event either situation happens when we are not there. Those are extras and weapons that are not well suited for home/personal defense. For the record I have several hot weapons scattered around my home in case a need ever arises, but they are not in plain sight and one would either have to know where they are or really go looking for them. Does this make me irresponsible in your opinion????

Would I feel bad if one of my weapons is stolen and some ass hat kills someone with it. YES of course I would but no more so than I do right now for those that have been hurt or killed by some crazy fuck no matter how they do it, its a shame no matter the circumstances when this happens. Why would I be so "callous" you ask, Because I DIDNT SHOOT THEM, some crazy fuck that stole something from me did, its not the objects fault, its the Crazy fuck using it. Its not my fault someone stole from me, its not my fault they broke into my home or tuck and stole it, its not my fault they went out a plugged someone with it either. Once that weapon is out of my possession and control its not my problem, it will be reported stolen and after that its out of my hands.


here this is humors but kinda sounds like what you are advocating for

That's ridiculous. When you're home you have the weapon in a place that you can easily get to it/them. When you leave for the day you lock them up. That to me is a responsible fire arm owner. There's only so much you can do to secure your fire arms but there's so much you can do to leave them insecure.

I have to go out and hire a person to train me better on handling my firearm because the law here in Oregon allows me to carry by simply watching a video and doing some paper work. That to me is dangerous. Those people are totally untrained to carry. Yet they are allowed to carry. Sensible laws are what's missing. But sensible laws will never happen because neither side wants them. They want extremes.

[ZoomZoomBoom]

Your ability to remain calm, rational and non-confrontational during disagreements fills me with confidence of your emergency gun-wielding abilities.

Yeah, the guy in this thread from South Canada has no clue what a high stress situation is all about.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Now a dual shooter in CT at an Elementary school.

[Q5Quint]

I wrote a little diddy the other day to a super-democrat friend some of you might find interesting:

Homocides by firearm kill about 10,000 people per year, and assist in about 19,000 suicides in the us. 'Falling' kills 25,000, poisoning kills about 40,000, and motor vehicle accidents about 35,000. Let's not forget another 25,000 that will die of alcohol induced causes.

I am not sure where everyone is getting their baby-killing gun facts from but the center for disease control has all the stats you need. While violent crime is exciting, heartbreaking, tragic, and makes headlines, it actually happens much less than you think. The CDC will even break it down by state and county and city for you. And race, and age, and intent. I would not want to live in most cities, that's for sure. Anyway- looks like 11 babies got shot, 26 strangled, and 97 died from neglect( homicide). On top of that almost 800 accidentally suffocated or were strangled in bed. Grim, I know- 2011 numbers.

If you really want to address a 'problem' let's talk about the 600,000 that will die this year from heart disease, or the 600,000 that will die from cancer. These are huge epidemics. Tragedy? How about the 37,000 that will commit suicide... 18k of which will use a gun.

Considering we have about 88 guns per 100 people, the most in the world, we are doing pretty good not shooting each other but still managing to off ourselves in other, slower ways.

I think we have bigger fish to fry (or rather, learn to not fry so many things) before we address an issue that will cost a large chunk of voter base.

Statistics are fun.... and if you look at the numbers these headline shooting sprees are horrible for sure.... but statistically if you are a young black man in a city you might want to watch out.

"Chicago Homicides Outnumber U.S. Troop Killings In Afghanistan"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/16/chicago-homicide-rate-wor_n_1602692.html

[iamsam]

Well, since most of the criminals commit their crimes with either legally purchased firearms, or weapons stolen from legal purchasers....

exactly right. Which is why banning 30rd mags now will instantly prevent any criminal from stealing any of the 30rd mags already under private ownership...

[BraveUlysses]

Now a dual shooter in CT at an Elementary school.

Horrible, absolutely horrible.

[iamsam]

Horrible, absolutely horrible.

it's making me sick. children???? what kind of new level have (some) humans sunk to??

[mrsleeve]

Yeah, the guy in this thread from South Canada has no clue what a high stress situation is all about.

Yeah I have no clue about high stress life or death........

By mocking my location you are forgetting something here, I live in a very rural place and there is lots of shit around here that will eat you if given the chance. Ever been 25 feet from a full grown but young still adolescent Mt lion that is sizing you up and deciding if your worth the risk of eating???? I have, Ever been hiking alone back to elk camp after sunset with 40mins or so to go to get there. Wolves start howling somewhere in the woods very very close but you cant see them or tell which direction they are because they are that close, No rifle only a Bow, bear spray an mag revolver..........I have. The hair on your neck stands up, your blood runs cold, a chill shoots down you spine, every fiber of you being and instinct is telling you to RUN, you dont run, you run, YOU DIE!!!!! But you are nearly frozen in a panic for a few seconds your mind fights you, as you begin to panic and your mind races, then you think I AM GOING TO DIE.

Once you get past that 1st 2-5 seconds which is prolly less, but feels like hours when it happening. and you force you to mind settle down, and your experience, knowledge set in and good judgment starts to work again, you have to force your self to calm down, and do your best with the situation at hand. I have had both of those things happen to me while ALONE deep in the back country of the northern rockies, its kinda like space out here, where no one will hear you scream. Never had to kill either animal either, I have a good idea of what life or death is.

But no I have never been in a high stress, massive adrenalin dumping, fight or flight, life or death situation



edit: Just got back into civilization CT school thing WTF really ???????

[ZoomZoomBoom]

Yeah I have no clue about high stress life or death........

By mocking my location you are forgetting something here, I live in a very rural place and there is lots of shit around here that will eat you if given the chance. Ever been 25 feet from a full grown but young still adolescent Mt lion that is sizing you up and deciding if your worth the risk of eating???? I have, Ever been hiking alone back to elk camp after sunset with 40mins or so to go to get there. Wolves start howling somewhere in the woods very very close but you cant see them or tell which direction they are because they are that close, No rifle only a Bow, bear spray an mag revolver..........I have. The hair on your neck stands up, your blood runs cold, a chill shoots down you spine, every fiber of you being and instinct is telling you to RUN, you dont run, you run, YOU DIE!!!!! But you are nearly frozen in a panic for a few seconds your mind fights you, as you begin to panic and your mind races, then you think I AM GOING TO DIE.

Once you get past that 1st 2-5 seconds which is prolly less, but feels like hours when it happening. and you force you to mind settle down, and your experience, knowledge set in and good judgment starts to work again, you have to force your self to calm down, and do your best with the situation at hand. I have had both of those things happen to me while ALONE deep in the back country of the northern rockies, its kinda like space out here, where no one will hear you scream. Never had to kill either animal either, I have a good idea of what life or death is.

But no I have never been in a high stress, massive adrenalin dumping, fight or flight, life or death situation

I've forwarded this thread to a couple friends of mine who served in combat and they told me that you've provided them with good humor for the day. That is all.

[Vedubin01]

I've forwarded this thread to a couple friends of mine who served in combat and they told me that you've provided them with good humor for the day. That is all.

Working in a soup kitchen does not count as serving combat and being in combat situations... That is all!

[mrsleeve]

I've forwarded this thread to a couple friends of mine who served in combat and they told me that you've provided them with good humor for the day. That is all.

1) thank your friends for their service for me please.

2) So your the only one that has friends that have served in the military Huh thats odd I was out on a wolf hunt this morning with a former military buddy of mine. He thinks wolves and MT lions in those kind of situations are scary too.

3) I am glad your friends got some humor out of my experiences, compared to what they have been though, I am sure it is funny too them. In fact I agree with them, it should be some what humors to them.

4) I love how you keep pointing to your friends deeds rather than your own!! Where have I pointed to anything any of my LE/Military/BP friends and acquaintances have done that I dont partake in directly. I base my arguments on my own deeds and experiences, while all you can do is retort with "well my friends " good for you keep hiding behind them, and talking as if you have some leg to stand on because you know them.

5) I make no assertion that I have anything close to their level of training or level of experience. But then again I dont have millions of dollars to devote to it and the fact that military service is not something that jives well with my goals in life nor my personality.

6) You talk out both sides of your mouth, On one hand you say it should be left to the professionals like LE/Military, then in the very next breath you say your pro gun rights??? Way to be a confused little boy posting from your moms suburban basement.

[kronus]

I'm pretty sure it's not inconsistent to support gun rights but not support CCW.

[mrsleeve]

^

They are one in the same, according to the founders, the 2a. The 2a is not about killing deer or ducks, or punching holes in paper, though all those things are useful its about having the ability to protect ones self from imitate threat, and over reaching govt. Even you know this

[iamsam]

Im getting my cwp as fast as I can. Although it may be wasted money if soon cwp are no longer legally recognized...