Everyone is scared, everyone has guns.

[Q5Quint]

I think the sentiment following gun legislation comes from several places. Most of our country is 'safe'. That is a fact. But people still lock their doors.

Do locks make our country 'safe'? What does it mean to be 'safe'?

Back in the day, and the reason we are all gun-toting american cowboys, is that you had to make yourself safe. Locks, guns, guards for the stagecoach and wagon train etc. It was up to you, personally, to assure your own safety. It was a dangerous world out there.

Now people will say the world has changed. But has it really changed for the better? If you were a huge douchenozzle in 1950 chances were high somebody would knock your punk ass straight in the face. Today it doesn't take much to know that hitting anyone, for any reason, even if they hit you first, is going to end up in court and be a lawyer battle.

I feel that people are less able to stand up for actual values, and more prone to getting shitted on by assholes, because of the nanny state our justice system has turned into. 'Mom he hit me first waaaah!' + a good lawyer and you could go to jail for defending yourself.

We are having to use laws to force people to make responsible decisions because they are incapable of doing it themselves.

The 'family farm' or 'little house on the prairie'.... and as far away from the prairie suburbia is for most people... we are going against that kind of 'take care of it yourself' mentality and moving to a 'cops will take care of it' mentality. But are we really? Do we still lock our cars and lock our doors? Do we still see stories of dirty cops in the news? Have you had something stolen and cops tell you 'tough shit'?

Personal responsibility is not something people are learning from public education. The sheep are trained to follow the wolf. The guy who posted the craigslist and mentioned he is packing a weapon might have had a shitty situation happen to him before, and he got told 'tough shit' by the cops that are supposed to protect him. After all, they cant be everywhere all of the time.

On another interesting note my neighbor got attacked by a pitbull yesterday. She fought it screaming as it dragged her and her dog down down the stairway of her apartment down the driveway into the street for 10 minutes. A neighbor heard and ran out beating it with a snow shovel to get it to let go of her dogs head. Then it got her leg, but let go quickly to follow the dog into the woods. The cops showed up and had to pepperspray it and taze it 3 times to get it to let go of her dogs neck. They didnt want to shoot it because we live in downtown just off main street.

Now the pitbulls owner, who was a friend of her downstairs neighbors, had the dog and another pitbull on a leash, but on seeing her dog (a small-medium sized mutt) at the top of the stairs it decided to break the leash and attack her in her own home. This was the 5th time this dog had attacked another dog or person and the owner did nothing and just watched the whole scene go down with the other pitbull on leash.

If you are going to have a pet critter that has nearly the hp, damage resist, and melee attack of a small bear you need a means to subdue the thing if it were to attack something. again. He should have at least had pepperspray and 3 tazers since that is apparently what pitbulls take if he was going to take responsibility for his critter.

I want to make a law that only allows you to have pets with lower hp than you have, unless you can make up for it with a gun/tazer etc.

[mrsleeve]

if you go through this thread you will also learn (from the FBI as well) that Knives kill 5 times more people than ALL rifles kill people.

Lets ban Knives and High Capacity Cutting Devices

[Q5Quint]

I tend to be in the middle of a lot of debates between 'red' and 'blue' friends because I share sentiments on both sides.

Today I found the fun statistic that more people were murdered by hammers/clubs/blunt objects than with rifles.

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/off...rtable_08.html

I find it interesting since I rolled with a golf club in my trunk for years~ I was actually driving around with a weapon that kills more per year than an ar-15.

*edit: Does that mean I am scared? Yes- I am not exactly a 'big guy' so if I ever had to fight one I would really like to at least level the field.

[mrsleeve]

^
That post made me giggle.

[Q5Quint]

A good quote that goes with what I said in #199.


"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein

Exactly.

I don't always carry a gun but I always play nice, because the other guy might be.

Statistically there is such a small chance that I will be robbed at gunpoint, or have anything happen where I would need a gun, that I don't really feel threatened. I usually just assume some idiot around me has one so if shit hits the fan he can be the lucky one in the shootout and I will just give them money/run and live to tell about it.

It does take a bit of a brain though..... ie you probably shouldnt be walking down railroad tracks through the ghetto at 2am or standing in front of the church with your palestinian lesbian girlfriend and your other black lesbian wife protesting the lack of support for gay-interracial-muslim-polygamy. That is just asking for somebody with a gun to wave it in your face.

These crimes are horrible for sure but you are literally more likely to get attacked by a shark, and sharks are easily avoidable as are certain parts of certain cities. Ex. you probably want to avoid DC, Louisiana, and Alabama if you enjoy not being murdered.

So what if the murder rate is 4x that as the uk or canada- they are communists anyways and nobody wants that! Interestingly enough our suicide rates are all really close..... and our murder rate is the same or lower for some states.

[Farbin Kaiber]

A good quote that goes with what I said in #199.


"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein

[u3b3rg33k]

There is little that is Implied in "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED "

Well that all depends on your definition of what "SHALL" means. *cough* lewinsky *cough*

[VinniE30]

^ :rofl: those videos are so 'merica fuck yeah!

[Vedubin01]

And this is Knob Creek machine gun shoot 2012 just a few months ago. Every gun in this video is privately owned by a citizen of the US. Even the Helicopter.

[Vedubin01]

Cale you can even own a GE Mini Gun if you have the dough for it. OR to feed it for that matter.

just for shits, every gun in this video is privately owned by someone here in the States. ALL LEGAL TO OWN if you follow the rules to one one.

[mrsleeve]

Cale Be specific about what Kind of arms deployed by individuals riflemen are we talking about. Short of things developed and manufactured POST 1986 most anything is of fair game assuming it was every for sale as a surplus item, to have be put into the civilian market. While there are somethings that are never let out of the inventories and are never made available to us, regardless if we could make the purchases under NFA rules or not.

The average rifleman carries a rifle, a bayonet sometimes a combat knife, many now also carry side arms, NV gear, high quality optics, and laser sights. All things I can go to my local sporting goods store and buy over the counter. But the rifle I can buy is not the same as his, Mine has no selector switch and one cant be installed. I am pointing to the AR platform because thats what is the evil flavor of the day is and is being demonized by appearance rather than actual mechanical make up.

In my state I can own any NFA item I want, so long as I can afford it.


There is little that is Implied in "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED "

[Vedubin01]

Taking it easy by avoiding directly answering a question, sleeve should be a politician.

What direct question are you looking for answers?

[cale]

Taking it easy by avoiding directly answering a question, sleeve should be a politician.

[Vedubin01]

An AR-15/AR-10 is NOT MILITARY GRADE HARDWARE. As has been explained to you while it may share a similar outward appearance, and do share some parts interchangeability. To make a Civilian AR platform accept Military L/E only parts requires some equipment most people dont have access to nor have the ability to use in away that will not ruin the firearm. Not to mention you have to not only have a FFL, but a Manufacturers Licenses to get the other necessary parts like trigger groups and bolt carriers, which they in turn CANT SELL to the general public. Also the fines and pentalies for doing shit like this are VERY VERY high both the person doing it and the dealer that is selling the parts. If you have a legally registered and owned NFA item you can get the replacement parts and your FFL can order them, but you have to provide the correct documentation and the serial numbers for the weapon you are refurbishing

Hey take it easy on Private Pyle, he's the fastest field stripper of an AR-15 in all of canada...

[cale]

I asked specifically about weapons which are deployable by an individual soldier which you yourself cannot legally own. Try to look past specifics like the AR-15 if you're capable of doing so, you seem to be stuck on repeat. Is that not an infringement upon your rights? By your interpretation (yes you interpret, you already admitted implying was necessary) anything available to a soldier should be available to you.