Everyone is scared, everyone has guns.

[mrsleeve]

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well if you have ever been involuntarily committed or are a felon you dont have a the rights to own a firearm anymore


How about the guy in VA or was it MD recently that went to his doc complaining of chest pains and because he is a "prepper" his doc committed him INVOLUNTARILY to a phsyc ward. Then the ATF and local Cops use 150 men to raid his house.

I support you mr burns.

I agree that you all live a life of fear. I never ever go out anywhere or feel as though I will ever have to deal with a gun or a knife being pointed towards me.

I hope you never have to, as do ALL of us that carry here in the states hope and pray as well. We are not out looking for a fight.

Granted it dose happen here in Australia, but it very very rarely involves an inoccent. It usually is two criminals fighting each other which I do not care about.

The bulk of gun/violent crime here in the US is also just as you describe criminal Vs Criminal, gang turf wars and so on.

All you pro gun people have to see that something is not right in the USA and something has to change. If you are all not willing to change then the government will change it for you, with gun laws.

Our govt is bound by the constitution and cant infringe on our rights. Does not mean they wont try and haven't already, there will prolly be enough that will remain complainant enough to let it stand though. We have a right to bear arms and those rights shall not be infringed.

A free people claim their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate. - Thomas Jefferson.


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. - Constitution of the United States of America

The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. - Thomas Jefferson

[evandael]

Do we have a problem, absolutely. Guns aren't the real issue. People are.


I'm all for not allowing those found mentally handicapped from owning a firearm...but who's making that choice? That's the problem.

God, are you this dense in real life? You insinuate that we should strip those people who are 'found mentally handicapped' of their constitutional rights.. what's next, their basic human rights?

[Massimo]

I support you mr burns.

I agree that you all live a life of fear. I never ever go out anywhere or feel as though I will ever have to deal with a gun or a knife being pointed towards me.

Granted it dose happen here in Australia, but it very very rarely involves an inoccent. It usually is two criminals fighting each other which I do not care about.

All you pro gun people have to see that something is not right in the USA and something has to change. If you are all not willing to change then the government will change it for you, with gun laws.

Im out.

[mrsleeve]

Mr Bruns.

While I agree the guy selling his car and talking about a CCW is a fool, its concealed so no one knows about it you dont go advertising it, he is doing it wrong.

Next you have dual citizen ship. If the US gun culture scares you so much, then go live in Canada. They have guns there too you know........

Your right the media is all about blood, sex, and scandal. You rarely hear (on a national scale) that a man saves him self, his family, or a stranger with a legally carried CCW. Even when you do they try and make the guy carrying and was in the right, look like some kind of paranoid whack job and try and demonize him because he carried that weapon. Even though instances of legal defense far out weigh the cases we have seen this week. To the tune of over 2 million times a year. These are cases where a person may have just exposed his weapon and not drawn, or drawn not fired, or even just said they had gun or did in fact have to fire. Many of these cases are never even reported to law enforcement, because the aggressor moves on to a different target with out doing anything thus no crime is actually committed (in case your wondering thats about 6500 times a day someone uses a firearm to deture or defend them selves from and aggressor nation wide)

But we dont hear about this because its not gonna going get the ratings and keep people glued to the TV for weeks like this shit does, because its not bloody, or scandalous not to mention counter to the agenda that the media and govt has been trying to sell to the public for the last 30 years or better. Its a fallacy because people are becoming smarter and gun laws at the state level have been getting better and the SCOTUS has finally herd several cases regarding the legality of local and state bans and ruled them unconstitutional.

With whats been happening this last few days, are isolated incidence of CRAZY FUCK. No gun laws in the world would keep it form happening. These crazy fucks would get their hands on them though the black market, the deep web, or just go the hardware store and build some shit for cheap as dirt, that is far more effective at mass killing. All these mass shooting happen in GUN FREE ZONES, where there is no chance that the fuck head will be confronted with another armed yet LAW ABIDING person for at least several minuets until authorities can arrive. It only takes a few minuets, in fact in cases like this the first 3 minuets is when the bulk of the damage is done. By setting up GUN FREE ZONES you do nothing but invite this kinda of behavior and provide lots of soft juicy news making targets for them. Every time a state has adopted a CCW law that is not restrictive and allows anyone with a clean back ground and meets the requirements set forth by the legislature. The violent crime rates go down sharply and quickly soon after.

You dont fear the weapon, You fear the man wielding it. Like Teddy Roosevelt once said

A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user.

This is a good summery

You live a good life and die at a ripe old age, maybe 30 people will care

You live a bitter life and maybe 3 people show up to your funeral to make sure your dead

you die tragically early or kill your self 300 people will forget who you are in month

You kill a school house full of kids, You will captivate 300 Million and the rest of the world, you will be a house hold name for a month or 2, the world over then your name goes into the history books in BOLD type as the kind of monster you are. There by getting the attention and fame your selfish ass always really wanted.

I BLAME the MEDIA

[VinniE30]

The crime rate per 100k people has gone down every year for the past 6 years for violent crime, murder, rape, aggravated assault, and others.
Overall, it's been on a downward trend for a very long time, for decades.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm (source: FBI)

[Dozyproductions]

This doesn't necessarily address what your thread is about but it does provide some background on American society.



'strategizing'.

[joshh]

I have to disagree...

here's a snapshot from the past 24 hours...I'm not even talking about a WHOLE DAY here...this is insanity.

I'm not even including the Oregon Mall shooting, just to even pinpoint that this epidemic is a DAILY ritual nowadays....unreal.

this doesn't happen anywhere else in the world really...not to this degree, these shootings have nary to do with politics, war, or religious beliefs..

yesterday...plotting to shoot up another school

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/15/1341761/police-arrest-18-year-old-planning-school-shooting-plot/?mobile=nc

Yesterday:...Newtown massacre

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20742462

This morning...Alabama hospital shootout

http://gawker.com/5968738/a-man-opened-fire-in-an-alabama-hospital-this-morning

Friday Afternoon....Domino's Pizza shootout
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...0,912168.story

I was referring to people being unwilling to meet publicaly to sell things.

Do we have a problem, absolutely. Guns aren't the real issue. People are.
Should we take all tools away from people that are able to kill a large amount of people at once? That would include cars.

Psychos will be psychos. We need a system to stop the crazies from getting their hands on firearms. Problem there is how do you prevent government from entering your life and invading your freedoms at the same time?

I'm all for not allowing those found mentally handicapped from owning a firearm...but who's making that choice? That's the problem.

[Mr. Burns]

Yeah it does. It happens everywhere, especially developing countries. You just don't necessarily hear about it. The US is very good at getting these stories up, because sadly it means ratings (And more advertising money). Other countries that either limit or completely block communication, or have none, don't have that connectivity and communication.

It certainly has increased as of late in the US. No denying that. But to say that it doesn't happen anywhere else to this degree isn't exactly true.

you're right, and perhaps I was a little strongarmed in my observation/opinion....media does certinaly fullfil it's duty in assuring all "bad" news is communicated...any "good news" is mentioned as a lighthearded blurd at the end of most newscasts.


also, just going to leave this article here...further reinforcing my point about mentality...
can't argue with this really

http://gawker.com/5932846/american-becomes-laughingstock-of-canada-after-letter-to-editor-lamenting-lack-of-handgun-during-mild-confrontation

[TurboJake]

I have to disagree...

here's a snapshot from the past 24 hours...I'm not even talking about a WHOLE DAY here...this is insanity.

I'm not even including the Oregon Mall shooting, just to even pinpoint that this epidemic is a DAILY ritual nowadays....unreal.

this doesn't happen anywhere else in the world really...not to this degree, these shootings have nary to do with politics, war, or religious beliefs..

Yeah it does. It happens everywhere, especially developing countries. You just don't necessarily hear about it. The US is very good at getting these stories up, because sadly it means ratings (And more advertising money). Other countries that either limit or completely block communication, or have none, don't have that connectivity and communication.

It certainly has increased as of late in the US. No denying that. But to say that it doesn't happen anywhere else to this degree isn't exactly true.

[Mr. Burns]

Reducing the amount/ types of guns available isn't going to change anything. I do agree that society/ people need to change. Taking guns away from the responsible people isn't going to change what criminals can get their hands on.

Sadly the old saying "guns don't kill people, people kill people" is accurate. The disturbing fact is that America refuses to attempt to understand why its citizens have such a propensity for violence towards each other. The society is sick - and no one wants to admit it.

The real solution is more holistic. America doesn't have the capability to think in a way that can stop its implosion.
You've seen parts of the world where people HAVE to kill each other to survive. America is doing it because they have nothing else to do.

Far from empty conjectures, America's morality is driven by consumerism, and half truths. A culture of greed and violence that celebrates itself in its media.

Soul pollution designed to make money.

It's also not a phenomena. It's called neo capitalism.

Do some research on rates of violence and heavily capitalized cultures.

My point being... is that America and a society has its main focus on the all mighty dollar, and assumes that capitalist forces will apply funding and resources in order to maintain the social well being of its citizens.

Sad part is.... Capitalist forces do not provide sufficient resources, and the moral, and emotional fabric of the society declines.

My opinion of course.

Whatever the reason. It's sad, tragic, and the days of America being the moral, ethical and financial leader of the world are over.


I've said alot, and will anticipate a horrid backlash...take it with a grain of salt, think out of the box before replying...

[Mr. Burns]

What you're seeing is not a commonality in our society imo.

I have to disagree...

here's a snapshot from the past 24 hours...I'm not even talking about a WHOLE DAY here...this is insanity.

I'm not even including the Oregon Mall shooting, just to even pinpoint that this epidemic is a DAILY ritual nowadays....unreal.

this doesn't happen anywhere else in the world really...not to this degree, these shootings have nary to do with politics, war, or religious beliefs..

yesterday...plotting to shoot up another school

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/15/1341761/police-arrest-18-year-old-planning-school-shooting-plot/?mobile=nc

Yesterday:...Newtown massacre

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20742462

This morning...Alabama hospital shootout

http://gawker.com/5968738/a-man-opened-fire-in-an-alabama-hospital-this-morning

Friday Afternoon....Domino's Pizza shootout

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-shootings-violence-december-14-december-15-20121214,0,912168.story

[ADlBOO]

Reducing the amount/ types of guns available isn't going to change anything. I do agree that society/ people need to change. Taking guns away from the responsible people isn't going to change what criminals can get their hands on.

[joshh]

point of posting that thread, was mainly to indicate and educate a culture fueled by fear.

seller is paranoid, another poster within the thread (see page two) says he carries a .45cal around for these types of transactions.


it's pretty evident where the change needs to start from.

each and every one of us....not a legislation, not a rulling but from within.

no fucking wonder it's come to this point...

excuse my language but this mentality/behavior been a long time coming.

I love both countries, and honestly saddens me that there is so much work to be done, it will take decades upon decade to change this mentality.

Change, it will never change because there are and always have been criminals. Each society has their own way. Even Japan which has a very respectful society in comparison was raised on the fear of the sword.

What you're seeing is not a commonality in our society imo. Neither is paranoia. Most people don't even carry.

[Mr. Burns]

point of posting that thread, was mainly to indicate and educate a culture fueled by fear.

seller is paranoid, another poster within the thread (see page two) says he carries a .45cal around for these types of transactions.


it's pretty evident where the change needs to start from.

each and every one of us....not a legislation, not a rulling but from within.

no fucking wonder it's come to this point...

excuse my language but this mentality/behavior been a long time coming.

I love both countries, and honestly saddens me that there is so much work to be done, it will take decades upon decade to change this mentality.

[Kershaw]

if a seller wanted me to meet him at a police station to buy a car, i'd tell him he's a weirdo and lose interest in his car.