A new bill was proposed that would make it a federal crime to traffic guns and or engage in straw purchasing. I remember back when we were discussing operation fast and furious someone mentioned that this was already illegal, but that must have only been on a state level. Still need verification on that.
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"I think we consider too much the good luck of the early bird and not enough the bad luck of the early worm."
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I don't see how straw purchasing wasn't already illegal. Seems common sense would dictate that someone buying a gun for someone else would not be kosher.
But I don't get paid the big bucks.1974.5 Jensen Healey : 2003 330i/5 -
usually i am not one at all to argue for increased regulation, but it is kind of insane to me that getting a gun is so much easier than owning and operating a car.past:
1989 325is (learner shitbox)
1986 325e (turbo dorito)
1991 318ic (5-lug ITB)
1985 323i baur
current:
1995 M3 (suspension, 17x9/255-40, borla)Comment
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In general, in non-liberal states (like not NY, MD, etc):
To get a gun:
- you have to be 18 (or 21)
- you have to buy the gun (some money)
- you have to to pass a background check
Done!
To get (and operate) a car:
- You need to be 16
- You need to have a driver's license which costs money
- you need auto insurance which costs money
- you have to buy the car (in most cases, a lot more money, but in many cases not)
- you need to pay for taxes, tags, and registration
- you need to pass emissions
So yep, it is harder to own and operate a car than to own a gun (assuming long gun here), but I think that speaks more to the ridiculousness of how hard it is to own and operate a car than the ease of owning a gun.
That said, some guns will become much harder to own than a car, say assault rifles once they are banned, etc.
Also, owning a gun is a right, while being able to operate a motor vehicle on public roads is a privilege which can be quite easily and legally taken away.Comment
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UUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMM WTF do you mean finally???? Straw purchases have been illegal for a very long time. In fact its the 1st fucking question on your 4473 NICS form.
1a) Are you the actual buyer if the firearm(s) listed above?? (then in Bold it reads) Warning: You are not the actual buyer if you are acquiring the firearm(s) on behalf of another person. If your not the actual buyer the dealer cannot transfer the firearm(s) to you.
There you have it right off the official 4473 form all must fill out and have submitted to the ATF. Its already illegal, whats this law in response to the govt sponsored ATF gun running scam known as Fast Furious??? Its already illegal for you to privately sell a firearm to anyone that know or suspect might suspect could not truthful answer and pass the 4473, suspect or know is mentally off, or that they wish to use it in a criminal manner. This is all already part of federal law when the NICS was adopted in the early 80's IIRC. The language seems rather ambiguous with no real methodology for defining when you can sell your firearm privately with out it having the possibility for being considered a straw.
Text of the actual bill can be found here. For the record something smells fishy with this thing given those who have crafted it and the fact its redundant to existing laws.
Ummmm Thats because as creepy up there has mentioned already, owning firearms is a RIGHT, Kinda like voting, free speech, and the like. Owing and using a car to exercise your freedom of travel is a PRIVILEGE, since there are many other ways you can use to get where you want to go.Originally posted by DKLast edited by mrsleeve; 03-05-2013, 12:44 PM.The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de TocquevilleOriginally posted by Fusion
The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
William Pitt-Comment
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It should be harder to operate a vehicle than it is now anyways. People I see driving..... disgusting.1974.5 Jensen Healey : 2003 330i/5Comment
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You can ask a question on a form all day long, but that doesn't mean the act is actually illegal or that there is any punishment in place for simply checking, "No", which I'm sure any straw buyer worth his salt would do.
Here are some other crazy gun allowances I bet you didn't know about. Highlight is open carry in bars in Virginia. Or being able to conceal and carry in 4 states at age 16 without permit. Gun nuts won't be satisfied until we pretty much have the wild west and some states are heading there.
"I think we consider too much the good luck of the early bird and not enough the bad luck of the early worm."
-Franklin D. RooseveltComment
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"I think we consider too much the good luck of the early bird and not enough the bad luck of the early worm."
-Franklin D. RooseveltComment
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It's legal to OC in Va in a bar, but illegal to be in possession of a firearm while intoxicated.
Why shouldn't I be allowed to carry in a bar?1974.5 Jensen Healey : 2003 330i/5Comment
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Slammin, how often do you check your BAC whilst in a bar? Are you as diligent about it as Wilford Brimley is with his blood sugar? And if you determine you are over the BAC limit then what do you do with the gun that is still on your hip in order to remain in compliance with that law? Just hand it to the bar tender and say, can you hold this for me till I sober up? It's just mucky.
And if that isn't applicable then what the hell are you doing in a bar if not drinking?"I think we consider too much the good luck of the early bird and not enough the bad luck of the early worm."
-Franklin D. RooseveltComment
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That FRAUD and as we all know fraud on federal govt docs will put you in prison. Your point is moot at best. Is it a straw if I buy a firearm and then a week latter a buddy offers to buy it from and I sell it????? Or is it a straw if I buy a firearm and 3 days latter something unexpected comes up and I have to sell it to get some quick cash and I sell it to friend???? I mean really how far do you want to go with defining a straw purchase. The language in the bill is purposefully ambiguous, one can only assume to entrap situations like I have listed above. Becuase the weapons were transferred to some one else, the original buyer seems to be on the hook for becoming a straw buyer, even if at the time of the original transaction there was no intent to transfer to another person.
Oh I see you are referencing constitutional carry sates, with a hand gun possession age of 16, yes lots of 16 year olds in those states out there shooting everything up. Where I live we dont need permits other than for in town (likely to get Constitutional Carry this year as well) and O/C is legal anywhere other than a few standard prohibited places.Originally posted by Morrison
O/C is not more threatening to those around you not in the least, it makes people like you who are afraid of an inanimate object rather than the person, uncomfortable, but you have no rights to tell me or others to not do something because it makes you uncomfortable. You would not tell someone that was speaking in a manner that makes you uncomfortable to stop would you? because you believe in free speech right???? Me peaceably carrying a weapon in plain sight is not an infringement on your rights or well being in anyway, so there for DEAL WITH IT. Just the same as a person carrying concealed with out a permit in a state that allows it or with a permit in a state that requires it.
So what you eating dinner in a bar and grill, many states provided a preemption for this, where you can carry if your not sitting at the bar and merely enjoying a meal. Some dont VA is one of those states IIRC,
OH this is bull shit. They (ATF/FED) had a narrative that was false yet had been pushing to us thought the meida nearly nightly and most Americans were having none of it. So they forced FFLs with threats of pulling their licenses to cooperate with a program that would give truth the stated narrative. They just got caught, and now still trying to use that mantra to get on with agenda thinking we have forgotten about it
Brave: You cant carry in govt property because the ruling class and agents of the state have to create a place where only they have firearms, yet still have to deal with us commoners. I dont really like it but its a fact of life. Like stated above you cant have weapon on you if your too intoxicated to drive, while I agree its not a good idea to carry your weapon into a bar with the express intention to sit there and do what you are supposed to do in a bar, but prohibiting one form sitting there and taking a meal is also a bit ludicrous as well since most dining establishments also serve spirits.Last edited by mrsleeve; 03-05-2013, 02:03 PM.The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de TocquevilleOriginally posted by Fusion
The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
William Pitt-Comment
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well it's a good thing those rights never get fucked with either. /s
you guys are way to quick to feeding-frenzy in here. i'm not suggesting a policy change, simply saying "this does not seem right to me".
simmer down now.
and lodsin, don't be lazy. post a statistic if you're gonna reference it.past:
1989 325is (learner shitbox)
1986 325e (turbo dorito)
1991 318ic (5-lug ITB)
1985 323i baur
current:
1995 M3 (suspension, 17x9/255-40, borla)Comment
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