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Originally posted by herbivor View Post1974.5 Jensen Healey : 2003 330i/5
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Originally posted by tjts1 View PostHigh speed rail is a money losing business in most of the world... and so is flying. Aviation consumes less capital, less land and oh yeah, it can cross oceans. On the other hand the TSA would like to examine you colon every time you get on a plane but I'm sure they would do the same thing with high speed rail if we had that.
I see you have no idea what you're talking about.2011 1M Alpine white/black
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Originally posted by z31maniac View PostOnly two lines in the entire world are profitable. And the gov't would screw up the ease of train travel just like they have with air travel.
The profitable line I rode one was fantastic and comfortable.
Originally posted by z31maniac View Postnrubenstein, how do you not get this?
There's lines that make profit and those who don't. Focusing on the ones that don't make profit does not mean that any new lines necessarily have to flounder... just like how there being empty flights on some routes do not mean that a new direct service elsewhere cannot be successful...
The talk of transcontinental HSR is a bit silly since there aren't a lot of stops of note in the "fly over states" and most would probably still travel coast-to-coast via airplane... but regional lines can make sense. Acela has a 75% share of air/train travel between DC and NYC. A bit of this is because the shorter a flight is, the most time is spent in security, pre-boarding, and picking up your bag (wasted), while that percentage of a long flight had a low percentage of total travel time. And it helps to have good public transport on both ends.
Originally posted by z31maniac View PostWhy should the rest of the country subsidize my vacation flights?
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Originally posted by herbivor View Post
This reminded me of a Christmas present from when I was a kid. I googled a while to find 'Rocket Tubes' from 1979. Unfortunately, it never worked as well as it looked.
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Originally posted by herbivor View Post
On the cost for that, is way too fucking low. TransCanada is wanting to spend about 8 BILLION to build a 36" diameter tube that is made out of steel, and going to be buried in the fucking ground. The Aleskya consortium spent about 8 billion in the late 70'- early 80's to build a 48" steel tube that moves fucking oil, and 3/4 of that one is at least above the ground. Granted these are much longer in distance but many times less complex than an air hockey table people moving tube.
You really think with the labor rates in CA and the land values to get the route, and build something big enough to move people in-mass at speed safely is going to cost 6b......... Job I just came off of Contractor was getting just shy of 3/4 of B to install 120 miles of 20" pipeline, JUST INSTALL Gas company bought the materials and this is OHIO.
I see a cost over run of at least 200% to get it built.Last edited by mrsleeve; 10-19-2013, 06:02 PM.Originally posted by FusionIf a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
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Originally posted by mrsleeve View PostHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
On the cost for that, is way too fucking low. TransCanada is wanting to spend about 8 BILLION to build a 36" diameter tube that is made out of steel, and going to be buried in the fucking ground. The Aleskya consortium spent about 8 billion in the late 70'- early 80's to build a 48" steel tube that moves fucking oil, and 3/4 of that one is at least above the ground. Granted these are much longer in distance but many times less complex than an air hockey table people moving tube.
You really think with the labor rates in CA and the land values to get the route, and build something big enough to move people in-mass at speed safely is going to cost 6b......... Job I just came off of Contractor was getting just shy of 3/4 of B to install 120 miles of 20" pipeline, JUST INSTALL Gas company bought the materials and this is OHIO.
I see a cost over run of at least 200% to get it built.
Even if the hyper loop's actual cost soared to $40 billion it would still be something worth looking into considering the 'estimated' $68 billion cost for the CHSR's phase 1.
The hyper loop's average projected speed is at least 3 times faster than the projected average speed for the Sacramento to L.A segment.
Another plus is that it would be the first of it's kind in the world and truly put us in the spotlight for innovation.
Researching it's feasibility wouldn't be such a shot in the dark. /the dreared mention of CHSRLast edited by Dozyproductions; 10-19-2013, 07:55 PM.
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Not that I dont disagree with that assessment, at that price tag it will never recoup those costs plus its operational costs in its service life........ Fares would be prohibitively high for general usage and would be a thing for the richers..........Originally posted by FusionIf a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
William Pitt-
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Originally posted by mrsleeve View PostFares would be prohibitively high for general usage and would be a thing for the richers..........
Improving the air travel is easier, cheaper, and will have more benefit to the traveler. It's the way to go. High speed rail is a glamour project outside of the NE Corridor.2011 1M Alpine white/black
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On this we are in agreement totally
40b / 100 bucks a ticket would take 400 million tickets sold just to recoup the construction costs, let alone the 10's of millions a year in operational costs.
USA today reported April of this year that Amtrak Acela routes in the NE carried 5.5m people in the 1st 2 quarters, so that 11m people a year where there are many more large and populace cities to service for ridership . If you want use the acela routes as a benchmark its going to take nearly 40 years to recoup a cost of construction alone with your 40b figure, which I think is a more realistic number to build such a contrivance in CA. With a moderate cost of 100 bucks a fare. I have traveled across most of the country on Amtrak for 198 bucks before....................Originally posted by FusionIf a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
William Pitt-
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Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post^
On this we are in agreement totally
40b / 100 bucks a ticket would take 400 million tickets sold just to recoup the construction costs, let alone the 10's of millions a year in operational costs.
USA today reported April of this year that Amtrak Acela routes in the NE carried 5.5m people in the 1st 2 quarters, so that 11m people a year where there are many more large and populace cities to service for ridership . If you want use the acela routes as a benchmark its going to take nearly 40 years to recoup a cost of construction alone with your 40b figure, which I think is a more realistic number to build such a contrivance in CA. With a moderate cost of 100 bucks a fare. I have traveled across most of the country on Amtrak for 198 bucks before....................2011 1M Alpine white/black
1996 Civic white/black
1988 M3 lachs/black
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I see I will have to keep that in mind ;)Originally posted by FusionIf a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
William Pitt-
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