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    Originally posted by The Dark Side of Will View Post
    Re: 14th: Kindly elaborate.

    As rational as San Diego county's basis recently overturned by the 9th Circuit?
    Keeping and bearing really actually is a right. That's why the Bill of Rights calls it a right. Therefore, having the right is the default and restriction needs to be based on due process.

    I do very much advocate training and instruction in the handling, use and judgement to use firearms. Just like you have to learn how to speak before using your freedom of speech, you should learn about the use of a gun before you exercise your right to keep and bear.
    I feel the same way about driving... it's a right, but it needs instruction to practice effectively.
    Supreme Court case - Miller or McDonald vs Chicago can't recall - was based on 14th Amendment's DP clause, not 5th.

    As for learning to speak...no...you can pretty much say what you please, whether it is jibberish or Waffen SS marching songs.
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      It's a mobile link, but looks like today is a big news day for me being right.

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        Farbio, was your example of the emo guy real or a hypothetical? I never heard of that situation actually happening.
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          Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber View Post
          It's a mobile link, but looks like today is a big news day for me being right.

          http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/ba...cess-americans
          With the growth of Obamacare, it only gives the government "good reason" to have access to these records you know because they are now in the business of healthcare. Government overreach? Nah, it's all aliens.

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            Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post
            funny thing how the 7th upheld this, I would have expected this out of the 9th. Huh who would have called this.

            In related news the DOJ and its "operation choke point" is trying to get banks to dump un-favorable business like gun makers and sellers, porn industry, and bong retailers that use a a bank to process their payments. This is a formalization of BoA famously dropping McMillan while in good standing with no evidence of wrong doing in 2004.
            http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...bel-from-feds/
            Literally riskier to the banks to do business with some of these companies than it is for them to fucking launder money for drug cartels

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              Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber View Post
              It's a mobile link, but looks like today is a big news day for me being right.

              http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/ba...cess-americans
              So provide your comments against it. Posting on a message board of lazy slobs won't do anything.
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                Originally posted by einhander View Post
                Supreme Court case - Miller or McDonald vs Chicago can't recall - was based on 14th Amendment's DP clause, not 5th.

                As for learning to speak...no...you can pretty much say what you please, whether it is jibberish or Waffen SS marching songs.
                Due process is due process. The 14th amendment provision is older than the incorporation doctrine, so makes a more sound legal basis for finding against a state or municipality.

                You need to learn how to speak before you can sing songs.

                Is someone who can't speak a language actually saying anything? ;)

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                  Are you a lawyer?
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                    Only on the internet

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