No one needs 15 rounds

[ParsedOut]

And you guys are with your kids 24/7 at school. Shootings NEVER happen at schools. So i go to pick up MY kids and there is an active shooter at my kids school. FUCK those kids. THEY AINT MINE. Forgive me for believing as a society WE SHOULD PROTECT EACH OTHER.

Ok Rambo. If we're going to take this discussion to absurdum...if I'm in the mall and a gunman has a group of children backed into a corner and I have a clear shot I'll run to their rescue. In that .000001 situation, sure. Otherwise, every able bodied adult for themselves, if they choose to be unprepared then that's not on my conscience.

[LSM3]

How come you ignore the potential for other loss of life? It is like you don't even think that is a possibility and you'll be able to win the battle every time? Discretion is the better part of valor, no?

Its not about valor. Its about helping others. I responded to a comment about ONLY using a ccw to protect YOURSELF if you are cornered with nowhere to run. Its hard to evaluate if you can help if you are running out a door. Which ones worse.?

1. Letting a gunman shoot and kill people at will?

2. Firing at the gunman with the possibility of hitting a bystander?

Ill go with #2 and im going to guess that someone staring down the barrel of a killers gun would go with #2 as well....

[ParsedOut]

Its not about valor. Its about helping others. I responded to a comment about ONLY using a ccw to protect YOURSELF if you are cornered with nowhere to run. Its hard to evaluate if you can help if you are running out a door. Which ones worse.?

1. Letting a gunman shoot and kill people at will?

2. Firing at the gunman with the possibility of hitting a bystander?

Ill go with #2 and im going to guess that someone staring down the barrel of a killers gun would go with #2 as well....

So, let's say you decide to "unload" on the baddy, a few stray rounds hit an innocent bystander, then the shooter turns, takes you out. Now you leave your wife and family (assuming you have some) alone and with a massive lawsuit due to your negligence. I'm sure the fact that you were being a hero and helping others will really console your family. If you choose to take that route, good for you, but calling others out in an inflammatory way for not sharing your lackadaisical approach to real life ramifications is offensive.

[LSM3]

Ok Rambo. If we're going to take this discussion to absurdum...if I'm in the mall and a gunman has a group of children backed into a corner and I have a clear shot I'll run to their rescue. In that .000001 situation, sure. Otherwise, every able bodied adult for themselves, if they choose to be unprepared then that's not on my conscience.

If you are calling someone Rambo who decides to put their life on the line for the sake of innocent children then your standards are damn low. How is it absurd when we have school shootings EVERY OTHER MONTH?

Every person for themselves. Lol. Again thats EXACTLY thats wrong with this country.

[marshallnoise]

So, let's say you decide to "unload" on the baddy, a few stray rounds hit an innocent bystander, then the shooter turns, takes you out. Now you leave your wife and family (assuming you have some) alone and with a massive lawsuit due to your negligence. I'm sure the fact that you were being a hero and helping others will really console your family. If you choose to take that route, good for you, but calling others out in an inflammatory way for not sharing your lackadaisical approach to real life ramifications is offensive.

And stupid. Really, really dumb.

[marshallnoise]

If you are calling someone Rambo who decides to put their life on the line for the sake of innocent children then your standards are damn low. How is it absurd when we have school shootings EVERY OTHER MONTH?

Every person for themselves. Lol. Again thats EXACTLY thats wrong with this country.

I am not a collectivist, so...Yeah, I don't agree with the idea that I am everyone's protector. It takes a village...

[LSM3]

So, let's say you decide to "unload" on the baddy, a few stray rounds hit an innocent bystander, then the shooter turns, takes you out. Now you leave your wife and family (assuming you have some) alone and with a massive lawsuit due to your negligence. I'm sure the fact that you were being a hero and helping others will really console your family. If you choose to take that route, good for you, but calling others out in an inflammatory way for not sharing your lackadaisical approach to real life ramifications is offensive.

How do you step outside every day?

[marshallnoise]

How do you step outside every day?

How do you step outside very day and not kill a bunch of innocent people trying to save all of them?

[LSM3]

I am not a collectivist, so...Yeah, I don't agree with the idea that I am everyone's protector. It takes a village...

Maybe your right. Maybe its a bygone era when people put others before themselves.i guess its left to the military and first responders.

[marshallnoise]

Maybe your right. Maybe its a bygone era when people put others before themselves.i guess its left to the military and first responders.

Who only do what they do because they are paid. They are mercenaries, not volunteers. They weigh the potential cost of their life in exchange for compensation or other benefits.

Am I wrong? No. Harsh? Yes.

[LSM3]

How do you step outside very day and not kill a bunch of innocent people trying to save all of them?

Because (thank the lord) ive never been put in that situation. It blows my mind that people think its better to let a shooter kill people then to even ATTEMPT to fire back. WOW

[LSM3]

Who only do what they do because they are paid. They are mercenaries, not volunteers. They weigh the potential cost of their life in exchange for compensation or other benefits.

Am I wrong? No. Harsh? Yes.

If you think they ONLY do that cause they are paid you are wrong. Dear lord, you are wrong. It is obvious you have never served your country in ANY capacity. Yeah those boys being blown up in war are doing it for the $$. Officers who make 50k do it for the money. Firefighters who run in to buildings on fire do it for the $$.

[marshallnoise]

Because (thank the lord) ive never been put in that situation. It blows my mind that people think its better to let a shooter kill people then to even ATTEMPT to fire back. WOW

Part of the attempt, my friend, is discerning if there is a clear shot and no more life is lost at the cost of my shooting at the killer. If I shoot at the killer, miss, get myself incapacitated and shot someone in the process, which is worse?

Escalation is something to avoid.

[marshallnoise]

If you think they ONLY do that cause they are paid you are wrong. Dear lord, you are wrong. It is obvious you have never served your country in ANY capacity. Yeah those boys being blown up in war are doing it for the $$. Officers who make 50k do it for the money. Firefighters who run in to buildings on fire do it for the $$.

Military gets a much bigger pass from me than LEOs and firemen. Clearly you don't know the cost of pension benefits are for both LEOs and firemen are, do you?

Me not having served the country for pay does not make me disqualified to render an opinion based on the facts at hand.

[LSM3]

QUOTE=marshallnoise;4147329]Military gets a much bigger pass from me than LEOs and firemen. Clearly you don't know the cost of pension benefits are for both LEOs and firemen are, do you?

Me not having served the country for pay does not make me disqualified to render an opinion based on the facts at hand.[/QUOTE]

http://work.chron.com/police-officers-starting-salary-6740.html

Average median income for LEO's nationwide in 2011 was 54k + benefits. Wow they are way overpaid. Those two officers who were shot in the head yesterday while eating lunch totally were compensated. Are there states that pay more? Yes. There are many that pay less. To say that the perdominant reason is $$ is wrong.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/pu...#disablemobile

48% of officers had a 4 year degree vs. 27% of US population. Hmmmm so they have more education and they choose police work. Yeah it must be that 54k!

For every officer making 100k there is one making 40k somewhere in the midwest/south.