No one needs 15 rounds

[ParsedOut]

How do you step outside every day?

I'm used to this kind of attitude from gun haters, this thread sure has done a 180 and taken a shit on it's face.

As for you mr hero, I do just fine. Worry about yourself...or as you claim, worry about everyone else instead.

[mrsleeve]

Its not about valor. Its about helping others. I responded to a comment about ONLY using a ccw to protect YOURSELF if you are cornered with nowhere to run. Its hard to evaluate if you can help if you are running out a door. Which ones worse.?

1. Letting a gunman shoot and kill people at will?

2. Firing at the gunman with the possibility of hitting a bystander?

Ill go with #2 and im going to guess that someone staring down the barrel of a killers gun would go with #2 as well....

#2
Is going to put you into some very deep legal issues if/when you miss and hit a bystander form both a criminal and civil prosecution perspective


Oh and for the recored AGAIN the Police have NO, ZIP, ZERO, ZILCH, NONE, ABSOLUTELY NO constitutional duty to put their life on the line to come save yours from anything. Many will, but many will sit in the car till back up arrives in force before acting.

[LSM3]

#2
Is going to put you into some very deep legal issues if/when you miss and hit a bystander form both a criminal and civil prosecution perspective

Central TX. 8/7/12 Man on shooting spree over neighbor hood dispute, pins cop down with and AR. Another resident plugs him 3 times at a 150 yards with a PISTOL!!!!!!

http://deadlinelive.info/2012/08/07/...with-a-pistol/

lol.

[marshallnoise]

?

I can't imagine that to be true.

[LSM3]

Its just funny how that thread is used to support CCW....yet when someone states that they would attempt to do what is celebrated in that thread they are "RAMBO" lol

[marshallnoise]

Its just funny how that thread is used to support CCW....

Attitudes like yours make CCW carriers and supporters look bad man.

I am all for protecting people around me, but ignoring the potential for shit going wrong is just stupid.

And for the record, I would prefer open carry to CCW.

[mrsleeve]

lol.

he didnt Miss. It was still a A FOOLISH thing to have done form the legal perspective. Not a shot I would have thought about.

Go take a CCW course and you might actually learn a thing or 3 about what we are talking about and why we are saying what we are saying

[LSM3]

Attitudes like yours make CCW carriers and supporters look bad man.

I am all for protecting people around me, but ignoring the potential for shit going wrong is just stupid.

And for the record, I would prefer open carry to CCW.

Is your reading comprehension at age level? Show me where I stated I would ALWAYS shoot? I stated that if you run away instead of TRYING to help you are a coward. If you run away that means you did not even try to EVALUATE if you could help. If you ONLY use your firearm to protect YOURSELF even when you could help someone else, you are a coward. I stand by THOSE statements. I initially responded to MR.Sleeves comment about only using his firearm if he is cornered with nowhere to go.

Maybe I gave you guys too much credit when I didnt spell out that I would not shoot If I was not confident in the shot.

Its hilarious that your guys post all these posts about when CCW save lives yet imagine every active shooter as a guy with a gun and a human shield around him. Is there a break in reality here or is it just me?

Lol... open carry. Worst idea ever.

[marshallnoise]

QUOTE=marshallnoise;4147329]Military gets a much bigger pass from me than LEOs and firemen. Clearly you don't know the cost of pension benefits are for both LEOs and firemen are, do you?

Me not having served the country for pay does not make me disqualified to render an opinion based on the facts at hand.

http://work.chron.com/police-officer...lary-6740.html

Average median income for LEO's nationwide in 2011 was 54k + benefits. Wow they are way overpaid. Those two officers who were shot in the head yesterday while eating lunch totally were compensated. Are there states that pay more? Yes. There are many that pay less. To say that the perdominant reason is $$ is wrong.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/pu...#disablemobile

48% of officers had a 4 year degree vs. 27% of US population. Hmmmm so they have more education and they choose police work. Yeah it must be that 54k!

For every officer making 100k there is one making 40k somewhere in the midwest/south.

http://www.sacbee.com/2013/09/09/5718823/california-public-pension-payouts.html

[LSM3]

he didnt Miss. It was still a A FOOLISH thing to have done form the legal perspective. Not a shot I would have thought about.

Go take a CCW course and you might actually learn a thing or 3 about what we are talking about and why we are saying what we are saying

Lol. How about we exchange training certificates and see who has more range time...Do you want to do pistol only, rifle or three gun training/competitions. LMK.

[marshallnoise]

Is your reading comprehension at age level? Show me where I stated I would ALWAYS shoot? I stated that if you run away instead of TRYING to help you are a coward. If you run away that means you did not even try to EVALUATE if you could help. If you ONLY use your firearm to protect YOURSELF even when you could help someone else, you are a coward. I stand by THOSE statements. I initially responded to MR.Sleeves comment about only using his firearm if he is cornered with nowhere to go.

Maybe I gave you guys too much credit when I didnt spell out that I would not shoot If I was not confident in the shot.

Its hilarious that your guys post all these posts about when CCW save lives yet imagine every active shooter as a guy with a gun and a human shield around him. Is there a break in reality here or is it just me?

Lol... open carry. Worst idea ever.

Well, you did imply that it would be ok to hit an innocent bystander if you incapacitated the shooter...

And you didn't clarify until now that you would not take a shot if you weren't confident.

It is not imagination to be aware that other people get hit on accident in situations like that. Advocating CCW and being aware of the problems with discharging the firearm is responsible.

The break in reality is advocating going head first into a situation like that and expecting only the best outcome.

I don't think that open-carry is problematic at all. It is only a problem now because society has been conditioned to "see gun, call cops." And honestly, most cops have been trained the same way: "gun = criminal."

[LSM3]

http://www.sacbee.com/2013/09/09/571...n-payouts.html

So I give you a MEDIAN of salaries ACROSS THE NATION and you give me an article about ONE highly compensated department? It blows my mind that you think that is retort?

Average Police Officer Pay by State

ALABAMA -$37,620
ALASKA-$59,580
ARIZONA-$53,020
ARKANSAS -$36,030
CALIFORNIA-$74,660
COLORADO-$58,550
CONNECTICUT-$56,800
DELAWARE-$55,740
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA-$64,400
FLORIDA-$51,320
GEORGIA-$38,340
HAWAII-$49,710
IDAHO -$46,300
ILLINOIS-$62,860
INDIANA-$44,970
IOWA-$45,070
KANSAS-$41,510
KENTUCKY-$38,590
LOUISIANA -$34,290
MAINE -$38,210
MARYLAND -$55,990
MASSACHUSETTS-$54,750
MICHIGAN-$51,260
MINNESOTA-$52,410
MISSISSIPPI-$30,460
MISSOURI-$41,150
MONTANA-$41,310
NEBRASKA-$44,020
NEVADA-$61,760
NEW HAMPSHIRE-$45,590
NEW JERSEY-$75,400
NEW MEXICO-$40,730
NEW YORK-$57,020
NORTH CAROLINA-$40,310
NORTH DAKOTA-$40,780
OHIO -$49,890
OKLAHOMA-$38,280
OREGON-$55,320
PENNSYLVANIA-$54,080
RHODE ISLAND -$51,440
SOUTH CAROLINA-$37,180
SOUTH DAKOTA-$38,010
TENNESSEE -$37,990
TEXAS-$48,010
UTAH-$44,340
VERMONT -$40,860
VIRGINIA-$48,970
WASHINGTON-$62,670
WEST VIRGINIA-$35,060
WISCONSIN-$55,660
WYOMING-$45,200

[marshallnoise]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/times-square-shooting-nypd-officers-shoot-two-innocent-bystanders-near-times-square/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/woman-sues-nypd-over-empire-state-shooting/

Supposedly trained professionals who shoot innocents, not on purpose but to help them. I am aware that not all shootings end up in this manner, but for heaven's sake, shouldn't you be aware of the possibility? I mean, NYPD can afford it, but Joe Blo CCW carrier sure couldn't.

[marshallnoise]

So I give you a MEDIAN of salaries ACROSS THE NATION and you give me an article about ONE highly compensated department? It blows my mind that you think that is retort?

Average Police Officer Pay by State

ALABAMA -$37,620
ALASKA-$59,580
ARIZONA-$53,020
ARKANSAS -$36,030
CALIFORNIA-$74,660
COLORADO-$58,550
CONNECTICUT-$56,800
 DELAWARE-$55,740
 DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA-$64,400
FLORIDA-$51,320
GEORGIA-$38,340
HAWAII-$49,710
IDAHO -$46,300
ILLINOIS-$62,860
INDIANA-$44,970
IOWA-$45,070
KANSAS-$41,510
KENTUCKY-$38,590
LOUISIANA -$34,290
MAINE -$38,210
MARYLAND -$55,990
MASSACHUSETTS-$54,750
MICHIGAN-$51,260
MINNESOTA-$52,410
MISSISSIPPI-$30,460
MISSOURI-$41,150
MONTANA-$41,310
NEBRASKA-$44,020
NEVADA-$61,760
NEW HAMPSHIRE-$45,590
NEW JERSEY-$75,400
NEW MEXICO-$40,730
NEW YORK-$57,020
NORTH CAROLINA-$40,310
NORTH DAKOTA-$40,780
OHIO -$49,890
OKLAHOMA-$38,280
OREGON-$55,320
PENNSYLVANIA-$54,080
RHODE ISLAND -$51,440
SOUTH CAROLINA-$37,180
SOUTH DAKOTA-$38,010
TENNESSEE -$37,990
TEXAS-$48,010
UTAH-$44,340
VERMONT -$40,860
VIRGINIA-$48,970
WASHINGTON-$62,670
WEST VIRGINIA-$35,060
WISCONSIN-$55,660
WYOMING-$45,200

That article was about the whole California pension program which stated that LEO and Fire received the biggest benefits.

I realize that this is only anecdotal, but a co-worker's husband had complained that the $110K a year he earns as Oceanside FD is simply not enough. He expects, and so do his buddies, a certain lifestyle for being in the FD. That means new cars, boats, tons of time off, etc.

Public servants of yesteryear are not the same as the ones we have had for the past 20 years.

[ParsedOut]

I'm just glad I don't live in Sacramento so I don't have to worry about this guy being willing to compromise my life for an ill conceived shot. You do realize that if you go running into a building guns blazing trying to be a Rescue Hero the chance of another CCW holder misreading the situation and taking you out instead? Or maybe you misread it and are taking shots at another person simply defending themselves or pretending to be a lone SWAT team. Leave the situation to the professionals, get out of there...you'll just end up making it worse for you and everyone else. Call me a coward, that's fine. I'm comfortable with the choices I've decided to make.