Pro-gun myths busted

[Ryan Stewart]

I disagree. I don't think 2.3 deaths is considered "massive". Remember, we're talking about MASS shootings, not singular homicides. Including shootings that result in 1 or 2 deaths in to the category of "mass shootings" would corrupt and skew the data, as those events do not meet the criteria. Is 1 death considered a "mass shooting"? No. Is 2? No. What about 5? Ya, I'd say you're getting there with 5. There's no written-in-stone rule for just how many deaths constitute a "mass shooting", but 5 is a very reasonable place to start. 1 or 2 is not.

While I cant make any claims regarding his number if it were to be factual then there would be one HUGE hole in your logic. His statement was "2.3 deaths in mass shootings stopped by an armed citizen."

So, what if it was intended as a mass shooting but was stopped from escalating to that point? Is it still a mass shooting if a crazy guy goes into a restaurant and starts capping people but gets stopped at 3 because Johnny Cowboy unloaded his revolver into him? The guy wanted to kill more, he just ran into some fast moving lead.

Kind of like how attempted robbery is still a crime, just a crime you failed to take to fruition. Excluding those mass shootings in which someone armed intervened would be like saying crime is halved because you didnt count attempted robbery, attempted rape, attempted murder.

[CorvallisBMW]

For good or bad, it is an enumerated right in the constitution (though Heller says that it can be subject to some restrictions)

Exactly.

All of our constitutionally-guaranteed rights have limits:

You have the freedom of speech, but you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater or promote terrorism.

You have the freedom to assemble, but you can't stage a sit-down protest in the middle of the freeway.

You have the freedom of the press, but you can't publish outright lies and call them facts.

You have the freedom to your religion, but you cannot force others to practice it.

All of our freedoms have some limitations, and they usually begin when the abuse of those freedoms leads to the harm of others. In the case of the 2nd amendment, it's rampant misinterpretation and subsequent abuse contributes to the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans each year by firearms. Hence why reasonable restrictions that protect the lives of innocent people are needed.

[mrsleeve]

No, it doesn't. It's just a website and magazine.

There's no reason to make shit up to try to make your (misguided) point.

I fail to see your point Cato is a libertarian think tank that has done many studies on many different things . Mother Jones sole agenda is firearms control just like the Brady against gun violence, Mayors against gun violence and several others that have cropped up in recent years???? Me thinks you dont know or read much from Cato......

Chicken little called, he said you're a incoherent fucking moron.

H/S kid suspended for gun pic on lap top 2/14

http://news.msn.com/us/ariz-high-school-student-suspended-over-gun-picture

Oh NOES FINGER GUN 5th grader 3/14

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2014/03/18/finger-gun-suspension-is-going-to-stand.html

7th Grader Gun charm on key chain about size of quarter 8/13

http://www.turnto10.com/story/23551467/7th-grader-suspended-for-having-gun-keychain

pop tart eaten into a gun by a fucking 7 year old

http://foxbaltimore.com/template/cgi-bin/archived.pl?type=basic&file=/news/features/featured/stories/archive/2013/03/nLWYfkkW.xml#.U4ZJSyjwrqe

Shall I continue to find you more examples I can go out and find you about a 100 more form the last 2-3 years alone

[ParsedOut]

H/S kid suspended for gun pic on lap top 2/14

http://news.msn.com/us/ariz-high-school-student-suspended-over-gun-picture

Oh NOES FINGER GUN 5th grader 3/14

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2014/03/18/finger-gun-suspension-is-going-to-stand.html

7th Grader Gun charm on key chain about size of quarter 8/13

http://www.turnto10.com/story/23551467/7th-grader-suspended-for-having-gun-keychain

pop tart eaten into a gun by a fucking 7 year old

http://foxbaltimore.com/template/cgi-bin/archived.pl?type=basic&file=/news/features/featured/stories/archive/2013/03/nLWYfkkW.xml#.U4ZJSyjwrqe

Shall I continue to find you more examples I can go out and find you about a 100 more form the last 2-3 years alone

My nephew was expelled from his 4th grade charter school after drawing a picture of a soldier holding a gun. When he grows up he wants to be in the military and has a huge respect for them. Zero tolerance policy... Yep, I believe Mr Chicken Little has a point here. We are grooming our children to be subservient and dependent on a system that we have less control over than we'd like to believe.

[BraveUlysses]

I fail to see your point Cato is a libertarian think tank that has done many studies on many different things . Mother Jones sole agenda is firearms control just like the Brady against gun violence, Mayors against gun violence and several others that have cropped up in recent years???? Me thinks you dont know or read much from Cato......

I didn't say anything about CATO you fucking idiot. Are you just learning to read at 30+? Mother Jones is not equivalent to the brady campaign, I don't even know how someone could be this wrong about anything.

I'm not even citing either of them to make my point.

H/S kid suspended for gun pic on lap top 2/14

http://news.msn.com/us/ariz-high-school-student-suspended-over-gun-picture

Oh NOES FINGER GUN 5th grader 3/14

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2014/03/18/finger-gun-suspension-is-going-to-stand.html

7th Grader Gun charm on key chain about size of quarter 8/13

http://www.turnto10.com/story/23551467/7th-grader-suspended-for-having-gun-keychain

pop tart eaten into a gun by a fucking 7 year old

http://foxbaltimore.com/template/cgi-bin/archived.pl?type=basic&file=/news/features/featured/stories/archive/2013/03/nLWYfkkW.xml#.U4ZJSyjwrqe

Shall I continue to find you more examples I can go out and find you about a 100 more form the last 2-3 years alone

Uh, I don't care? I pointed out how you made a shitty incoherent post and you doubled down and made another one.

[ParsedOut]

All of our freedoms have some limitations, and they usually begin when the abuse of those freedoms leads to the harm of others. In the case of the 2nd amendment, it's rampant misinterpretation and subsequent abuse contributes to the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans each year by firearms. Hence why reasonable restrictions that protect the lives of innocent people are needed.

You also do realize that the 2nd amendment is already heavily restricted right?

[myinfernalbmw]

Really what is the fucking point with these threads? Neither side is open to an honest discussion. Links from biased sources that back up your particular point. Thread after thread. It's the same argument regardless of the topic.

[ParsedOut]

Really what is the fucking point with these threads? Neither side is open to an honest discussion. Links from biased sources that back up your particular point. Thread after thread. It's the same argument regardless of the topic.

You can see why so much progress is being made in Congress. Welcome to politics.

[IronmanE30]

Please note that the Cato institute is a Libertarian "think-tank"

LOL! More propaganda from an extremist liberal group. You need to do more research and then maybe you will realize how they are painting a one sided picture. Or maybe not....

Cheers,

Jim

[ParsedOut]

LOL! More propaganda from an extremist liberal group. You need to do more research and then maybe you will realize how they are painting a one sided picture. Or maybe not....

Cheers,

Jim

Uhhh... Libertarian =/= Liberal

[CorvallisBMW]

You also do realize that the 2nd amendment is already heavily restricted right?

In what ways? Is restricting access to firearms for the mentally-ill a "heavy restriction"?

[Aleksey]

People who are anti gun are living in a bubble.

US is currently 'stable', as soon as it get's destabilized you will have criminal gangs controlling the street.

Why? Because they have firearms and you don't. Have fun defending your family.

Stop living in a bubble and look at countries where people revolted, Ukraine for example.. you have groups of illegal armed thugs taking over buildings and shooting civilians because nobody can do anything.

Or maybe we can get some crazy dictator in the office, have fun revolting with paint ball guns.

Etc.

I for one don't want to be ruled by a gang of armed drug dealers if economy tanks.

End of story.

[ParsedOut]

In what ways? Is restricting access to firearms for the mentally-ill a "heavy restriction"?

If you don't know how guns are currently restricted, that proves you are seriously uneducated on the topic and not worth the time. Also who determines what "mentally-ill" is? How is that determination made on an individual basis? How is that information shared to a governing body? How is this done without violating rights to privacy?

[IronmanE30]

Uhhh... Libertarian =/= Liberal

Thanks for pointing that out.

My apologies to CorvallisBMW. I miss read the post.

Cheers,

Jim

[Dakotademon7]

Yes but you have to be licensed, trained and insured to drive one, because they're dangerous is used improperly. How are guns any different?

Never said there was but what are these rules and regulations on gun ownership going to do ? If one person wants to kill another, they will find a way. If some crazy person wants to do a mass killing, he will break into a home and steal one. If he can't get his hands on a gun, he can go the rout of mass murder by the use of pipe bombs or IED's that can be made by easy to find plans on the internet. The harder it's made to buy guns, the more home robberies of fire arms will go up. Gun store robberies will go up. Soon there will be as much profit in smuggling guns into the US as there is in drugs.