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  • ParsedOut
    E30 Fanatic
    • Sep 2005
    • 1437

    #91
    Originally posted by CorvallisBMW
    90% of Americans and 74% of NRA members think they're reasonable: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...cal-slam-dunk/

    Sorry to burst your extremist bubble.
    Most of which don't have a firm understanding of what that really entails.

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    • frankenbeemer
      R3VLimited
      • Sep 2009
      • 2260

      #92
      Originally posted by CorvallisBMW
      90% of Americans and 74% of NRA members think they're reasonable: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...cal-slam-dunk/

      Sorry to burst your extremist bubble.
      Yes, there is wide agreement on the generality, but many reconsider when the details of implementation are revealed. I find it notable that: "respondents who prioritized gun rights were more than four times as likely as those backing gun control to donate money to an organization that takes a position on gun policy. More than four in 10 gun rights supporters (42 percent) reported participating in at least one type of political activism on the issue, compared with 25 percent of those prioritizing gun control.
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      Originally posted by JinormusJ
      Don't buy an e30

      They're stupid
      1989 325is Raged on then sold.
      1988 325 SETA 2DR Beaten to death, then parted.
      1988 325 SETA 4DR Parted.
      1990 325i Cabrio Daily'd, then stored 2 yrs ago.

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      • The Dark Side of Will
        R3VLimited
        • Jun 2010
        • 2796

        #93
        Originally posted by CorvallisBMW
        90% of Americans and 74% of NRA members think they're reasonable: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...cal-slam-dunk/

        Sorry to burst your extremist bubble.
        Citing WaPo as an authority on gun rights = LOL

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        • The Dark Side of Will
          R3VLimited
          • Jun 2010
          • 2796

          #94
          Originally posted by BraveUlysses
          If you're more worried about having your property taken from you than you are about your own mental health...I'm not sure what to say of that.
          Why shouldn't a person be allowed to get help AND keep all their stuff?

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          • BDSax
            Junkyard King
            • Mar 2006
            • 3593

            #95
            Mass shootings aren't stopped by armed civilians because they are in gun free zones!

            What fucking tools
            NEED SOME VINYL STICKERS???

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            • The Dark Side of Will
              R3VLimited
              • Jun 2010
              • 2796

              #96
              Originally posted by BDSax
              Mass shootings aren't stopped by armed civilians because they are in gun free zones!

              What fucking tools
              And if someone tries to make a mass shooting with an armed bystander nearby, it ends up NOT being a mass shooting!

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              • BDSax
                Junkyard King
                • Mar 2006
                • 3593

                #97
                Exactly. And it is not covered by the news
                NEED SOME VINYL STICKERS???

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                • cale
                  R3VLimited
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 2331

                  #98
                  Right, armed psycho with a gun will automatically be thwarted by any do-gooder with a CCW amidst the chaos. There definitely could be no outside factors preventing them from doing so, or the more likely, them getting their ass to safety instead of playing hero.

                  Armed individuals may stop a shooter here and there, but you best bet that gun is being aimed right at you as soon as you challenge them. We're talking pistols here vs. someone who's not stable and hoped up on all sorts of adrenaline, chances are they're getting off a shot or two in your direction.

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                  • frankenbeemer
                    R3VLimited
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 2260

                    #99
                    I find reductio ad absurdum plus snark to be an unbeatable combination.
                    sigpic
                    Originally posted by JinormusJ
                    Don't buy an e30

                    They're stupid
                    1989 325is Raged on then sold.
                    1988 325 SETA 2DR Beaten to death, then parted.
                    1988 325 SETA 4DR Parted.
                    1990 325i Cabrio Daily'd, then stored 2 yrs ago.

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                    • ParsedOut
                      E30 Fanatic
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 1437

                      #100
                      Interesting article.

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                      • frankenbeemer
                        R3VLimited
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 2260

                        #101
                        Lastly, one more truth becomes evident upon recognizing that demographics are the main factor in criminality: even if you do believe in gun control, imposing it federally and applying a one-size fits all standard is ridiculous. In terms of people and crime, there’s a world of difference between towns in New Hampshire or Vermont, with their England-level murder rates, and cities such as East St. Louis, IL, or Detroit, which rival El Salvador in citizen lethality. You can make gun control the same everywhere, but you can’t change the fact that people will be very, very different.
                        sigpic
                        Originally posted by JinormusJ
                        Don't buy an e30

                        They're stupid
                        1989 325is Raged on then sold.
                        1988 325 SETA 2DR Beaten to death, then parted.
                        1988 325 SETA 4DR Parted.
                        1990 325i Cabrio Daily'd, then stored 2 yrs ago.

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                        • The Dark Side of Will
                          R3VLimited
                          • Jun 2010
                          • 2796

                          #102
                          Originally posted by cale
                          Right, armed psycho with a gun will automatically be thwarted by any do-gooder with a CCW amidst the chaos.
                          That's actually very close to what the data shows.
                          Armed resistance, whether or not it's lethal, or even effective (that is, may not even wound the shooter), usually ends the shooter's rampage.
                          The reason is that the shooter is operating in a self-reinforcing delusion of his own invincibility. When no one shoots back, that delusion is reinforced. Someone shooting back at him shatters the delusion and throws him off both his game and his planned course of action.

                          Originally posted by cale
                          Armed individuals may stop a shooter here and there, but you best bet that gun is being aimed right at you as soon as you challenge them. We're talking pistols here vs. someone who's not stable and hoped up on all sorts of adrenaline, chances are they're getting off a shot or two in your direction.
                          Mass shooters have a notoriously bad hit percentage...
                          People who oppose mass shooters frequently get injured, but as mentioned above, being shot at or seriously opposed usually stops the shooter's rampage.
                          See the previously posted link about the effectiveness of armed bystanders stopping a mass shooting. The upshot is that unopposed shooters kill an average of 18 people, while opposed shooters kill an average of 2.3.

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                          • BDSax
                            Junkyard King
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 3593

                            #103
                            NEED SOME VINYL STICKERS???

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                            • Ether-D
                              R3VLimited
                              • Sep 2011
                              • 2838

                              #104
                              I actually lol-ed.
                              Originally posted by Andy.B
                              Whenever I am about to make a particularly questionable decision regarding a worryingly cheap diy solution, I just ask myself, "What would Ether-D do?"
                              1987 325iS m30b34 Muscle car (Engine electrical phase)
                              ~~~~~~~~~~
                              I was born on 3/25…
                              ~~~~~~~~~~

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                              • E30NJ
                                E30 Modder
                                • Aug 2013
                                • 921

                                #105
                                According to that logic, we should just ban alcohol because drunk drivers kill people too.

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