Enough about guns, what's with all the illegal immigrants!?

[Vedubin01]

I suppose we should just be happy that your post isn't plagiarized.

I posted my post well before Sessions posted his take. He said exactly what I would have said just in a clearer way of saying it. You asked me to explain what I meant in my post. Well you got your answer!

[einhander]

I suppose we should just be happy that your post isn't plagiarized.

[Vedubin01]

Obama has deported more immigrants than any of the past three presidents, I believe.

not when you compare apples to apples

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79794797/

[smooth]

The saddest part of his position is that he's apparently completely unaware of the past few decades of foreign policy that have resulted in impoverished conditions and many of these kids' parents being murdered thereby creating wave upon wave of refugees.

and of course it's all due to Obama undermining the United States with lawless policies because that's what sitting Presidents do as standard operating procedures...

[einhander]

The crisis on our border is the direct and predictable result of President Obama's sustained effort to undermine America's immigration laws. As the president's previous director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), John Sandweg recently acknowledged: "if you are a run-of-the-mill immigrant here illegally, your odds of getting deported are close to zero." Enforcement has collapsed.


Today President Obama says he needs $3.7 billion from Congress to handle the crisis his lawless policies are creating. Amazingly, the funding request further advertises his administration's amnesty efforts and our fraud-riddled asylum programs, while explicitly omitting any request for expedited deportation authority. The request is also not paid for. The administration wants to borrow every penny.

Obama has deported more immigrants than any of the past three presidents, I believe.

He is now asking for $3.7b to enhance border protection and deportation authority. I haven't see exactly how the money will be spent, but the headline and article pointed to enforcement and deportation.

It's great you can cut and paste from Sen Sessions. Are you able to think for yourself?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/07/08/sessions-immigration-reform-column/12354693/

Today President Obama says he needs $3.7 billion from Congress to handle the crisis his lawless policies are creating. Amazingly, the funding request further advertises his administration's amnesty efforts and our fraud-riddled asylum programs, while explicitly omitting any request for expedited deportation authority. The request is also not paid for. The administration wants to borrow every penny.

[smooth]

From the study you linked:

"At the individual level, excluding any costs for their children, the NRC estimated a net lifetime fiscal drain of -$89,000 (1996 dollars) for an immigrant without a high school diploma, and a net fiscal drain of -$31,000 for an immigrant with only a high school education. However, more educated immigrants create a lifetime net fiscal benefit of +$105,000.9"

Again, it's important to disaggregate the data when discussing immigrant fiscal impact.

[Vedubin01]

Can you explain what you meant in your earlier post with the WaPo article?

The crisis on our border is the direct and predictable result of President Obama's sustained effort to undermine America's immigration laws. As the president's previous director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), John Sandweg recently acknowledged: "if you are a run-of-the-mill immigrant here illegally, your odds of getting deported are close to zero." Enforcement has collapsed.


Today President Obama says he needs $3.7 billion from Congress to handle the crisis his lawless policies are creating. Amazingly, the funding request further advertises his administration's amnesty efforts and our fraud-riddled asylum programs, while explicitly omitting any request for expedited deportation authority. The request is also not paid for. The administration wants to borrow every penny.

[einhander]

The National Research Council (NRC) estimated in 1996 that immigrant households (legal and illegal) create a net fiscal burden (taxes paid minus services used) on all levels of government of between $11.4 billion and $20.2 billion annually.7

http://cis.org/node/4573

Can you explain what you meant in your earlier post with the WaPo article?

[Vedubin01]

Why has only one person acknowledged the net economic benefit provided by illegal immigrants?

The National Research Council (NRC) estimated in 1996 that immigrant households (legal and illegal) create a net fiscal burden (taxes paid minus services used) on all levels of government of between $11.4 billion and $20.2 billion annually.7

http://cis.org/node/4573

[einhander]

Totally agree. It would be great if a simple, straightforward bill could be passed. Not with anyone on either side of the aisle from this lot though.

[ParsedOut]

You kind of answered your own question.

All of those ideas have, in one form or another, been put into various bills over the years. There is no technical issue at play here. It really is all politics.

True, I'd imagine the bills put forth were not clean enough for either party, I'm sure they were packed full of other agenda items. We need a political cleansing.

[einhander]

So now that we're actually having a somewhat honest conversation again. What am I missing when I say it seems reasonable to grant say 300-500% more applications for immigration but enforce certain stipulations? Such as the citizenship is probationary for 3-5-7 years?

Other than stubborn politicians (on both ends) what else is missing?

You kind of answered your own question.

All of those ideas have, in one form or another, been put into various bills over the years. There is no technical issue at play here. It really is all politics.

[ParsedOut]

So now that we're actually having a somewhat honest conversation again. What am I missing when I say it seems reasonable to grant say 300-500% more applications for immigration but enforce certain stipulations? Such as the citizenship is probationary for 3-5-7 years? The "head of household" must be employed for 80% of that period, similar to a work visa. If any member of that household commits any semi-serious crime during that period it's revoked. Can't apply for welfare services and can't vote during "probation". Income tax rate is lowered as well to offset the restricted rights and help build a start.

Now on the surface I can see some struggles with this, first off the job availability for such a large influx of largely "unskilled or limited skills" workers. The job market that is fitting for their skill set may become saturated pretty quickly? Not sure. Also, this will impact local businesses that hire undocumented workers, too bad so sad but it will have an affect on that aspect of the economy. Other than stubborn politicians (on both ends) what else is missing?

Let me be clear, I'm talking about increasing legal immigration...not amnesty for the "Dreamers" or whatever the hell they're being called now.

[smooth]

I had to turn my computer in for repairs so I've had to post from my tiny iPhone for the past few days...hard to dig up and post links but I'll read whatever is posted :)

[einhander]

^ This is the gist of what I recall reading, but there was also a study that measured the impact/contribution of lower wages paid to undocumented workers on goods and services consumed by working citizens. If you include unrequited payment for social services + cost of cheaper goods and services, the benefits were tangible.

I'm sorry I haven't found it yet, but I think it was from University of Michigan.