Enough about guns, what's with all the illegal immigrants!?

[mrsleeve]

I agree, this is why I don't get plasterd when I have to work the next day ;)

[BraveUlysses]

Sure, but hangovers aren't just about being actively high or drunk--it's the other effects like headaches, stomach problems or cloudy headedness that carry on the next day.

[mrsleeve]

.Correct! 1 we can test for impairment on the spot the other we can't ....

[BraveUlysses]

Well I don't think you'll many people who think people should show up to work hungover from any substance

[mrsleeve]

One is leagl at this point one is not, one could cost me my lively hood, my rights. And in turn much of what I have worked my whole life for even with responsiable use, compared to the other.. I have unndergone more federal background checks in the last 7 years than most people will undergo in a life time. As well as nearly every customers facility I show up too wants a urine sample, with a random pull at least once a year.

Like I said from a princpal stand point go for it, but untill there is a resonable accurate. nearly immediate resulting test that can be administerd in the field to test for intoxication, it leaves much to be desiered. Not everyone makes a living sitting in a cliamate controled building being cubicle furniture. In my industry there is plenty of substance abuse issues, even with the consquences looming no doubt. But you getting high in your off hours I really don't care about but there is no way to tell how high you might still be when you show up to work the next day when my life and the other 15 guys on the crews lives are your hands, andd in many cases yours in ours.

In the end responsible use is responsible use, its not the issue I have. My morality is mine and from what I have witnessed copious pot use due to extended family, as well as groing up with an a drunken father I have seen the pitfalls of both.

[z31maniac]

why are you morally opposed to i?

Because it's not his drug of choice.

[z31maniac]

I am not unaware of those comparison's. Are you atempting to argue that because I have a beer or 2, or nice cocktail once in a while I should not have a safe full of firearms??? Its called responsibilty, and proper use of both firearms and a legal substace. The question is not which is substance responsible for more domestic calls to 911, but what is leagl and what is not regarding firearms procurement.

I think you know me well enough to know my stance on the leglization front. In case you forgot conflicted, from a principles stand point all for it. From a morality stand point, not so much..............

I just don't get how you can argue that a beer or a few cocktails is somehow OK, but taking a couple hits off a joint isn't OK, in regards to gun ownership.

You guys come up with some really strange conflicting view points you try to justify to yourselves.

[BraveUlysses]

I am not unaware of those comparison's. Are you atempting to argue that because I have a beer or 2, or nice cocktail once in a while I should not have a safe full of firearms??? Its called responsibilty, and proper use of both firearms and a legal substace. The question is not which is substance responsible for more domestic calls to 911, but what is leagl and what is not regarding firearms procurement.

I think you know me well enough to know my stance on the leglization front. In case you forgot conflicted, from a principles stand point all for it. From a morality stand point, not so much..............

why are you morally opposed to it?

[einhander]

Why let people that use illegal mind altering substances buy firearms if crazy people cannt

Fair question. No real answer.

I'd say that occasional, recreational drug use (including alcohol) is not a clinical problem. Therefore, it shouldn't have any bearing on gun ownership.

If one is certifiably nutso (or an alcoholic/drug addict), however, then gun ownership should be limited.

[mrsleeve]

I am not unaware of those comparison's. Are you atempting to argue that because I have a beer or 2, or nice cocktail once in a while I should not have a safe full of firearms??? Its called responsibilty, and proper use of both firearms and a legal substace. The question is not which is substance responsible for more domestic calls to 911, but what is leagl and what is not regarding firearms procurement.

I think you know me well enough to know my stance on the leglization front. In case you forgot conflicted, from a principles stand point all for it. From a morality stand point, not so much..............

[z31maniac]

Because.................................... war on drugs.


Are you not one that advocates for mentally stable people to be the ones with the firearms. Are you not one of the ones pushing for a 100% 4473 on ALL transfers?? Why let people that use illegal mind altering substances buy firearms if crazy people cannt

I'd be much more in favor of disallowing the ownership of guns if you use alcohol (also a mind altering substance), legal or not.

Do some digging for domestic violence calls.

Then compare how many happened under the influence of marijuana vs alcohol.

[mrsleeve]

Because.................................... war on drugs.


Are you not one that advocates for mentally stable people to be the ones with the firearms. Are you not one of the ones pushing for a 100% 4473 on ALL transfers?? Why let people that use illegal mind altering substances buy firearms if crazy people cannt

[einhander]

Legal at the state level still illegal at federal level. Form 4473 is a federal doucment. Answering no to that question due to legality while useing pot at the state level to obtain a firearm at retail point of sale is falsehood on a federal documet. No different than lieing on you tax forms to get a larger refund you going to go to jail. Wonder how holders doj will handle such a situatuion, we don't enforce pot laws and want to highly expand gun laws? ??

When did puff ever murder anyone?

[BraveUlysses]

It's a pathetic effort to discredit my posts, thank god we have useful idiots like sleeve here to help defend vdeeeerpin's terrible posts

[nando]

Legal at the state level still illegal at federal level. Form 4473 is a federal doucment. Answering no to that question due to legality while useing pot at the state level to obtain a firearm at retail point of sale is falsehood on a federal documet. No different than lieing on you tax forms to get a larger refund you going to go to jail. Wonder how holders doj will handle such a situatuion, we don't enforce pot laws and want to highly expand gun laws? ??

I understand that. I just don't get what point he was trying to make. I think it was meant as an insult, although he has no proof that Brave has smoked pot, other than because he's from WA and he doesn't like him.