Water shutoff in Detriot.

[The Dark Side of Will]

In fact, the first article I linked points out the millions of dollars corporations owe but haven't paid and still have running water.

That article's laughably conspiratorial.

So if we take what mrsleeve wrote at face value, that rates will go up as revenue dwindles, as more and more people can't pay their bills and have their water shut off the municipal water source will become increasingly insolvent resulting in even higher rates and even less people able to pay until the bankrupt city loses it's ability to serve the entire community.

But ignore that for a minute...it's not as if 80,000 people can go shit in the lake and bring potable water back home in buckets, either right? Your response sounds like we might be missing the forest for the trees.

The water being shut off forces the hard financial decisions we've previously discussed. It's not like the 1500-3000/week shutoffs stay shut off once the bill is paid. There aren't 80,000 people without water at the same time.

In any case, you seemed to have misunderstood what my post #28 was responding to. You made the claim that inequality had nothing to do with the situation in Detroit so I explained how someone making that argument would link the current problems to historical inequality and racism.

Aside from the claims by your article about inappropriate use of police enforcement, what laws and policies does Detroit have on the books that are racist?
I think we're all aware of how poor people remain poor, how mismanaged and ineffective governments and law enforcement are/can be.
Poor blacks in Detroit don't deserve treatment by the public utilities & government institutions that's any different than the treatment received by rich or poor whites.

The fact (if it is such) that a golf course owes money doesn't mean black people who haven't paid their bills shouldn't have their water shut off. It means that the golf course should have its water shut off too.

You want to spin a discussion about poverty into a discussion about racism.
How do you feel about the impoverished white people in Appalachia? ...who as a group are hopeless enough that alcoholism skyrockets among them compared to the population at large. There are plenty of reasons why they remain poor, but you don't have the investigation-deflecting shield of historical racism to hold in front of them.

Isn't 82% percent black "mostly" black? How is that a red herring?

It is mostly black. That's why OP's article's implication that black customers are being preferentially shut off is bogus.

I've read and seen reports of people having to drill as deep as 300 feet to get to water.

If the water table's 299 feet down, you'll naturally have to drill a 300 foot well to access it. Wells that the military drills in Afghanistan regularly exceed 800 feet.

in addition to just water use, these companies have been exempted from regulation in regards to how much they use *and* the impacts they have on the water table.

My overall point was that private corporations are sucking and fucking our nation's potable water and the issues we're seeing in detroit are going to become nationwide. over time we're going to see these kinds of issue hitting impoverished communities and communities of color harder than other communities.

Are you blaming the vast right wing corporate conspiracy?
The American Corporate Conspiratorial Council (AC3)?

The blame needs to go on spineless government and the unaccountable two party duopoly that prevents The People from electing worthwhile leaders.

likewise, it doesn't make sense to have a right to bear arms or right to freedom of speech if we don't have a right to drink water. it's hard to comprehend how one could secure a right to carry a gun and defend personal liberty if that liberty didn't include the right to do the most basic function of human life--drinking water.

If the poor people can stop paying their bills and don't have their water shut off, who's going to pay the bills at all? Not shutting water off results in the system becoming insolvent and completely shutting down more quickly. Water systems don't run on Unicorn farts.

Nothing is a right that someone else has to do for you, or that would require you to work in order to provide it for yourself.

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I'm not sure whether to shake my head or have a good laugh at people who think that "austerity" is an "agenda" or that it is something that people have the option to choose not to do.

[BraveUlysses]

Not quite. It means he can selectively pick which posts he wants to respond to and can choose to not see any anyway.

It really is a useless tool, except by the tool.

So what happened to you explaining your argument from yesterday? Give up?

[Thizzelle]

stop quoting brave, I have him on ignore for a reason.

[z31maniac]

Well done gents, you have degenerated the conversation to arguing about the ignore list.

A++ thread. Would read again.

[marshallnoise]

When he admits that he's clicking the posts individually and still responding, he's most certainly using it as a noise filter. If he was really using it he wouldn't end up responding to certain posters at all.

Not quite. It means he can selectively pick which posts he wants to respond to and can choose to not see any anyway.

It really is a useless tool, except by the tool.

[BraveUlysses]

How is it butthurt? It seems to be an accurate description of the purpose of the ignore function as implemented by some folks.

When he admits that he's clicking the posts individually and still responding, he's most certainly using it as a noise filter. If he was really using it he wouldn't end up responding to certain posters at all.

[marshallnoise]

Look at all this butthurt over the fact someone has decided to filter out some of the worthless noise that gets posted in this forum.

How is it butthurt? It seems to be an accurate description of the purpose of the ignore function as implemented by some folks.

[BraveUlysses]

Also stating someone is on your Ignore List is further proof that you have no interest in being part of a dialog, only wanting to spout your side without taking into account the statements of others in a conversation, the equivalent to shoving your fingers in your ears when anyone else speaks and screaming at the top of your lungs, but expecting everyone else to stand by with baited breath to hear what words of wisdom you will provide us with when you decide to speak to us without charging the exorbitant salary an educator of your pedigree receives regularly.

Look at all this butthurt over the fact someone has decided to filter out some of the worthless noise that gets posted in this forum.

[mrsleeve]

there's nothing in there about a comprehension problem...except as it pertains to your inability to comprehend the point I was making.

Some people, like yourself, have shallow wells that produce water whereas people in Texas next to companies that are fracking are having to drill down hundreds of feet deeper than they used to in order to get good water.

It's not particularly relevant whether your well is 7, 17, or 75 feet because they are all shallow compared to 300+ feet wells, which is the point I was making. That's a point of comprehension that you are demonstrating you're failing at understanding. A typo or clerical point of error is not an error of understanding.

The 75 came from you stating that you are 750 feet from a water source. I was operating off memory of what you wrote. I retain more information about the senseless posts you make trying to insult me than warranted, that's for sure.

Yes because Fracking is ruining ground water when its taking place nearly a mile or more below the even the furthest depths of even the deepest aquifers. Put you "gas land" back in your pipe and smoke it.

[ParsedOut]

click on the user name
click on view public profile
click on user list
click on ignore

Thx!

[smooth]

WTF, we have an ignore list?! Can't seem to find it any where. Mind pointing the direction? I have a few people to add.

click on the user name
click on view public profile
click on user list
click on ignore

[smooth]

there's nothing in there about a comprehension problem...except as it pertains to your inability to comprehend the point I was making.

Some people, like yourself, have shallow wells that produce water whereas people in Texas next to companies that are fracking are having to drill down hundreds of feet deeper than they used to in order to get good water.

It's not particularly relevant whether your well is 7, 17, or 75 feet because they are all shallow compared to 300+ feet wells, which is the point I was making. That's a point of comprehension that you are demonstrating you're failing at understanding. A typo or clerical point of error is not an error of understanding.

The 75 came from you stating that you are 750 feet from a water source. I was operating off memory of what you wrote. I retain more information about the senseless posts you make trying to insult me than warranted, that's for sure.

[ParsedOut]

WTF, we have an ignore list?! Can't seem to find it any where. Mind pointing the direction? I have a few people to add.

[Farbin Kaiber]

how does stating that someone has a 75 foot well when that person wrote 17 foot have anything to do with "comprehension?" You should probably look that word up before incorrectly using it in public...especially when you're trying to insult someone.

By showing that your Ivory Tower is so high in the clouds that all you want to do is spout what you think without taking the time to fully read and comprehend the comments being made in a thread you seem to hold yourself in such high esteem in. Without the ability to be a good listener, you cannot be a good speaker, and you show that the only thing you want to listen to is the sound of yourself speaking, and what others say has no bearing upon your thought process. I'm not insulting you, I am making an observation that is obviously outside of the viewpoint of the blinders you are wearing that only allow you to see such a small sample of reference as opposed to the bigger, or full picture.

I have you on ignore so I have to go back and view your posts one by one. it's a tedious process when I actually care to restate something that you wrote.

Also stating someone is on your Ignore List is further proof that you have no interest in being part of a dialog, only wanting to spout your side without taking into account the statements of others in a conversation, the equivalent to shoving your fingers in your ears when anyone else speaks and screaming at the top of your lungs, but expecting everyone else to stand by with baited breath to hear what words of wisdom you will provide us with when you decide to speak to us without charging the exorbitant salary an educator of your pedigree receives regularly.

[smooth]

I have you on ignore so I have to go back and view your posts one by one. it's a tedious process when I actually care to restate something that you wrote.

how does stating that someone has a 75 foot well when that person wrote 17 foot have anything to do with "comprehension?" You should probably look that word up before incorrectly using it in public...especially when you're trying to insult someone.

that said, if that and this "Black American" terminology issue that you're trying to muster against my posts are the best you can do then have a nice day :)