religion?

[Dirty325ix]

So why do you believe in your faith

[Farbin Kaiber]

So why do you believe in your faith when the bad guy always wins in real life.
I have been forced to be religious my whole life and really see no point
The worst are in charge...so I guess god helps those who help themselves?
Just tired of hearing about it

(Late night rant sorry will prolly edit tom)

I'll reply in the morning.

[Hooffenstein HD]

People believe in "god" religions because of parental indoctrination. It's been happening ever since the romans invented it to control the pagans.

5 minutes on google can reveal all the truth you need to know about those fictional stories but people don't like to accept that they've been living a lie.

[mrsleeve]

the Romans invented religion huh.... Yup if google returns a hit it must make it true too.... Wow you just keep out doing your self dont you.

[Dozyproductions]

Well Jesus was killed while the romans were in power and in a way that's a similar situation to the bad guys always winning of today no? Western religions focus on the after life with the waking one being a stepping stone. Why shouldn't the world be full of the wicked? ;)

[6A LDY]

The idea is that god put you on earth but what you do is up to you. Time spent on earth is ~90 years while heaven is eternal. The mortal life is almost like a tryout for heaven. So people who are bad now are damned to hell for eternity and you only have to deal with them for ~90 years or however long you live

[slaterd]

Christian-based religions and I have never seen "eye-to-eye" if you will. I've lived in many small towns where I was isolated and almost outcast from my peers when they found out I was athiest which I am no longer. I find the words in a lot of indoctrinated religions to be extremely hypocritical and are the root of many wars and in the wrong hands, dangerous. I have my beliefs and you have yours...don't judge me on mine and I'll leave you to yours.

[Fusion]

Search Lawrence Krauss on Youtube. Or Christopher Dawkins if you really want to look into debates.
You'll find that when representatives of any religion are faced with well educated scientists, they drown in their own arguments.
I think lots of people, although not enough, are finally realizing that it is science and tech that make our lives better, not blind faith in stories made up thousands of years ago.

[eur04lif3]

So why do you believe in your faith when the bad guy always wins in real life.
I have been forced to be religious my whole life and really see no point
The worst are in charge...so I guess god helps those who help themselves?
Just tired of hearing about it

(Late night rant sorry will prolly edit tom)

First of all, no one should be forced to be religious...a religion that is forced upon, is simply used as a tool to achieve a different agenda.

To me faith is a belief in afterlife. A moral conduct that I strive to live by, and when I don't quite make it...I know i'm forgiven.
Faith for me just answered a lot of questions that science has not being able to answer. Where we come from? Where are we going? What makes us do wrong/right?

Search Lawrence Krauss on Youtube. Or Christopher Dawkins if you really want to look into debates.
You'll find that when representatives of any religion are faced with well educated scientists, they drown in their own arguments.
I think lots of people, although not enough, are finally realizing that it is science and tech that make our lives better, not blind faith in stories made up thousands of years ago.

I've watched quite a few debates of Dawkins, quite frankly I don't see him winning any. Maybe just because I'm on the other side of the fence.(I believe in God)
On contrary I actually see a lot of contradictions in Dawkins. Especially when he tries to explain where the moral law comes from.

[Fusion]

Yes, morality comes up a lot as religion tends to run out of arguments, the question of where morality comes from if there is no god is often asked and the basic proven answer is that societies without general morals cannot last. We are born with emotions and they do not require any law (governmental or religious). In other words, people brought up without religion are not deprived of morals or emotion and if there were no such laws, it does not mean that everyone would be going around killing each other. On the other hand we do know that when people murder, rape, steal, there are ways to explain their behavior and there is no exclusion to who does these things, people of all religions or no religion can act immorally, nonetheless very many religious people act immorally in the name of religion.

[eur04lif3]

Yes, morality comes up a lot as religion tends to run out of arguments, the question of where morality comes from if there is no god is often asked and the basic proven answer is that societies without general morals cannot last. We are born with emotions and they do not require any law (governmental or religious). In other words, people brought up without religion are not deprived of morals or emotion and if there were no such laws, it does not mean that everyone would be going around killing each other. On the other hand we do know that when people murder, rape, steal, there are ways to explain their behavior and there is no exclusion to who does these things, people of all religions or no religion can act immorally, nonetheless very many religious people act immorally in the name of religion.

Care to explain which arguments religion runs out of? Because what you described is exactly what Dawkins calls "dancing to our own DNA". But what no one can explain is who created our being, the rest of the world for that matter, in which these emotions were instilled in.
I agree with you in the fact that its is true that people that were brought up without religion can still be moral, by no means am I saying that if you don't believe in God, you have no morals. What I am saying is that the moral law giver is God.

My only understanding is the following. Humans are born in sin. They will lie, cheat and steal. Some will go even further. Most of them do not want to do such things, yet they still do them. Most understand that it is morally wrong, yet still do them. We also agree that grave actions as such should be punished...but why? Why do we think that lying is wrong?
Lets take your explanation that we are all hard wired with these emotions. Then what propels us to act against these positive emotions?

[Vtec?lol]

There is no such thing as cold... There is only the absence of heat.

[Fusion]

Humans are not born in sin. Humans are born into a vast array of social conditions that often suppress emotion and strengthen the natural need to survive.
There is no need to explain and believe in a creator. There actually isn't a reason to explain anything. That is our curiosity and inner passion to learn. The belief in a god requires consciousness, at least some intelligence and egoism. Without consciousness and intelligence, there is no thought of a god, without egoism, there is no need to believe we're so special that an entity would create the whole universe for us. Fact is, if the human race ceased to exist, the universe would not give a rats ass, all previously discovered or undiscovered physical laws would not cease to exist.
Its funny how religious explanations have to keep morphing based on what science discovers. A couple hundred years ago no religion could even contemplate debating over someone creating a whole universe with galaxies, a big bang, expansion, something from nothing. Now they just say "Meh, part of the plan.", but do not care to explain how and why there would be a reason for a shadow figure.

[Dozyproductions]

Absence of heat is characterized as cold so yes 'cold' exists. Absence of intelligence is stupidity and we all know stupid people exist right?

Morality boils down to, don't do harm to others. That's it and it doesn't take a creator to come up with that.

People who act immorally in the name of religion aren't some how spokespeople for that religion. If there is a creator, it's a relationship with him and you. The only outside influences should be guidance and your own interpretations carry the rest. It's like our scotus and the constitution but on an individual basis. Religion is there for community.

[z31maniac]

It's a neat story.

Find me some references from the same time period that mention Jeebus.