Equal pay for equal work

[Red_liner740]

So because your wife undervalues herself and is not pursing raises its the other guys fault?

Im having a hard time understanding what exactly you're complaining about. The fact that the dude drives a Porsche or that your wife is underpaid due to her own lack of willingness to ask for market rate.

The companies are not obligated to give you raises unless union contracted or specifically written as such.

Being a successful employee doesnt mean just being good at what you do but also negotiating the most $$ for your skills.

In the end if you believe you are underpaid and after renegotiating still arent satisfied, look for jobs elsewhere. In my experience NOTHING increases your earnings like switching companies.

Like I said earlier I didn't write up the entire back story, but To answer I've been to his big ass house and talked to him about.

[Restoman]

Just because someone lives a different lifestyle, or manages their finances better than your wife what makes you think they earn more?

Maybe the new Porsche owner's wife makes more money than everyone and bought him the car??

[mccor023]

How do you know this guy has a mortgage? Those aren't cheap.

Like I said earlier I didn't write up the entire back story, but To answer I've been to his big ass house and talked to him about.

[ck_taft325is]

You guys are slaughtering smooth, over here.

[slaterd]

Because I don't believe anyone manages their finances better than her! She counts every penny coming in and out and charts everything. And then she puts away everything that doesn't go to food or mortage. I mean everything, she's not typical shopaholic like most women, she hasnt bought clothes in over 2 years.
I realize I didn't provide all the details in my post, but guys believe me I do know all the details on both accounts. I know what kind o income is required to live this guys type of life, and I know even with my measly $70k/ yr she and I aren't there.
She was randomly offered a $20k/ yr raise recently after another female coworker asked the gender question. They called it market adjustment or something.

Must be so damn tough huh? If she's offered that tell her to take it and shut up about it. That would be increasing my pay by more than 50%! I couldn't imagine gaining that type of raise and the possibilities that would open up to me. For one, I could afford to pay for school with that raise alone and still have about $8k left in my pocket a year.

[Hooffenstein HD]

And then she puts away everything that doesn't go to food or mortage.

How do you know this guy has a mortgage? Those aren't cheap.

[mccor023]

Just because someone lives a different lifestyle, or manages their finances better than your wife what makes you think they earn more?

Because I don't believe anyone manages their finances better than her! She counts every penny coming in and out and charts everything. And then she puts away everything that doesn't go to food or mortage. I mean everything, she's not typical shopaholic like most women, she hasnt bought clothes in over 2 years.
I realize I didn't provide all the details in my post, but guys believe me I do know all the details on both accounts. I know what kind o income is required to live this guys type of life, and I know even with my measly $70k/ yr she and I aren't there.
She was randomly offered a $20k/ yr raise recently after another female coworker asked the gender question. They called it market adjustment or something.

[The Dark Side of Will]

not only did your daughter learn from an early age what her mother did and expects her to do

He just told you that BOTH parents cook, and that he does it more than baby momma does.

If you want to argue that your daughter has a genetic predisposition for enjoying cooking and your son has a genetic predisposition for enjoying working in the shop then what would be the source of such a genetic difference?

Why does one have two X chromosomes and the other has an X and a Y?

for one thing, there isn't a "cooking gene" nor is there a "work shop gene".

How do you know?

and for another, in your case more problematic, your twins have the same genes, which tends to undermine the entire position you are claiming regarding genetic variance.

Except that they have different genes because they're different genders.

[The Dark Side of Will]

Hey r3v. I may be some kind of bad person for saying this, but it seems to me that if women were getting paid 80% of what dudes get paid, for doing the same amount of work, companies would just be full of women workers. Why pay a man more than a woman? Just to have a dude around? It doesn't make sense from a "bottom line" point of view.

Tell me why I'm bad and horribly wrong.

What I've read and been told from more than one source is that women get paid less because they tend to ask for less when the offer is made.

[Hooffenstein HD]

When everyone else in the office is driving 20k-30k cars and the 1 guy in the office is driving a $130k car you start to wonder.
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Just because someone lives a different lifestyle, or manages their finances better than your wife what makes you think they earn more?

[Blitzkrieg]

Go make me a sandwich.

[agent]

My spellchecker dropped the possessive s.

Yet it doesn't pick up on the fact that you don't capitalize the first letters of your sentences...?

[Ether-D]

If you want to argue that your daughter has a genetic predisposition for enjoying cooking and your son has a genetic predisposition for enjoying working in the shop then what would be the source of such a genetic difference?

for one thing, there isn't a "cooking gene" nor is there a "work shop gene". and for another, in your case more problematic, your twins have the same genes, which tends to undermine the entire position you are claiming regarding genetic variance.

Your account is a perfect example we would use in a scientific study to demonstrate that gender norms are not based on genetics.

I did say "genetics" in the comment you're referring to, I meant "aptitude".

Would you mind redoing your rebuttal?

[cale]

I have to disagree with several ideas in this thread. As a dude who is married to a very smart hard working lady I can tell you for a fact she is being paid at least 20% less than her male counterparts. To give an idea her co-worker equal credentials equal experience, but he was able to recently pick up a 911 turbo worth as much as out house.
I know this is an odd thing to point out, but it is what really opened my eyes to the whole salary thing. We discovered several years ago someone hired 2 years after her was being paid the same her, but I brushed it off. Being the supportive husband that I am and also a guy who wants a Porshe one day I believe confidence is a big issue. Personally when I want a raise i have the confidence to ask for it or find a different job. I encourage my wife to do the same, and maybe she is a rare rare case, but she she is intimidated into thinking all is fair.
So where I agree there are 2 side to every story, and each story might have its own twists. When a company sees an opportunity to under pay someone they will.

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal, legitimate comparisons have proven that inequality on the macro scale is a myth.

His ability to purchase an expensive vehicle says nothing about him having a larger salary. Perhaps he has made solid investments, maybe he inherited a large chunk of change, or more than like..maybe he's got a shit load of his life on credit. Being in the military I'm aware of what everyone around me is making. You've got Colonels driving $5000 Volvos they've owned since new and Privates driving $50,000 trucks. I'll let you wager a guess who's making $150k/year and who's making less than 1/3rd of that. What's on the surface is not always an accurate indicator of what lies beneath.

You've debunked your own argument by admitting your wife is passive and accepts, or more accurately gives in to the belief that all is fair. That person who's starting salary is equal to her current one likely demanded a larger figure when hired. It has nothing to do with the company underpaying, it has to do with your wife undervaluing herself.

[smooth]

Nope, I said "parents".

My spellchecker dropped the possessive s.

should have been written as "females' parents" rather than "female parents"

the direct answer to your other questions about your boy's experience vs. your girl's experience is that, yes, children model after their parents they closely identify with. you hold these things you're writing to be true, so not only did your daughter learn from an early age what her mother did and expects her to do (and vice versa for your son) you formally and informally respond in ways that you may not even be aware of that indicate to them that they are acting gender normative.

If you want to argue that your daughter has a genetic predisposition for enjoying cooking and your son has a genetic predisposition for enjoying working in the shop then what would be the source of such a genetic difference?

for one thing, there isn't a "cooking gene" nor is there a "work shop gene". and for another, in your case more problematic, your twins have the same genes, which tends to undermine the entire position you are claiming regarding genetic variance.

Your account is a perfect example we would use in a scientific study to demonstrate that gender norms are not based on genetics.