Shooting at UNC

[ak-]

Muslim is not a race, and yes Mrsleeve you are doing it right :) This story is only making it big because of their religion. There seems to be a big taboo regarding Muslims in the world. And now that 3 Muslim family members get shot in a red neck part of the country. The part of the country that is that "old country white folk". The media then spins it riling people by showing the 3 in traditional Muslim wear. Id doubt they were even shot in their traditional gear. Media begging for rating and in tern feeding the fire.

No, Muslim woman wear their Hijab (headwear) any time they are in public or in the line of sight of men. (if that's what you're talking about.)

[freeride53]

Not surprised by the "usual suspects" in this thread so far expressing their ignorance.

[GAbOS]

Muslim is not a race, and yes Mrsleeve you are doing it right :) This story is only making it big because of their religion. There seems to be a big taboo regarding Muslims in the world. And now that 3 Muslim family members get shot in a red neck part of the country. The part of the country that is that "old country white folk". The media then spins it riling people by showing the 3 in traditional Muslim wear. Id doubt they were even shot in their traditional gear. Media begging for rating and in tern feeding the fire.

Thanks for the correction, but wow has the article changed since earlier today. I was trying to poke a stick at the media. Forget the upgrade to religion, they have gone full blow hate crime.

Sensational

[CorvallisBMW]

Portland must be a pretty nice city. In places like Baltimore we call this type of incident [unfortunately] a near daily occurrence and no, we don't consider it news, we consider it a statistic. A good portion of the time victims of violence over disputes have a legitimate chance to just walk away from the situation, but decide to "man up" instead. Considering their history with Mr. Crazy, they would've known the dude was trouble... but I bet the son-in-law got tired of his shit and decided to "man up". As history tells us (as well as this story) "manning up" rarely works out for anyone involved in an altercation.

Is this a tragic story? Yes. But is it newsworthy? No. However, someone wanted this story in the limelight and decided to cry "Hate crime!", which seems to be the magic ringer for good publicity these days. When are people gonna figure out that "Deranged redneck dying to live out his 'self-defense' fantasies" != racist

Muslim is not a race, and yes Mrsleeve you are doing it right :) This story is only making it big because of their religion. There seems to be a big taboo regarding Muslims in the world. And now that 3 Muslim family members get shot in a red neck part of the country. The part of the country that is that "old country white folk". The media then spins it riling people by showing the 3 in traditional Muslim wear. Id doubt they were even shot in their traditional gear. Media begging for rating and in tern feeding the fire.

Wow, I'm glad I don't live in nasty shithole places like you guys.

Here in the civilized world we consider a triple homicide (no matter the motives) to be newsworthy, and quite serious. Maybe it was about religion, maybe it wasn't. Does that mean we should stick our head in the sand and pretend it's not even a possibility? Of course not.

BTW, immediately jumping to the conclusion that it can't possibly be about their race/religion because they happen to be arab/muslim, and that the whole thing isn't newsworthy and only gets attention because of "race", is the very definition of racism :)

If a Muslim neighbor had shot dead 3 white college students, you'd all be foaming at the mouth ready to start our next foreign war.

[CorvallisBMW]

I think this just about sums it up:

[jalopi]

If a Muslim neighbor had shot dead 3 white college students, you'd all be foaming at the mouth ready to start our next foreign war.

This actually made me lol a bit :D

However, crimes with white victims tend to not to get media coverage because it'd be "bad PR" or "not fair", so we wouldn't even get the chance to "git to-a llynchin' " since we wouldn't even know about the crime anyway

[jalopi]

Oh yes and Baltimore City IS a steaming cesspool of shittyness. Ever seen the wire? It's really not a far throw from an accurate description of the city

[CorvallisBMW]

However, crimes with white victims tend to not to get media coverage because it'd be "bad PR" or "not fair", so we wouldn't even get the chance to "git to-a llynchin' " since we wouldn't even know about the crime anyway

You sure about that? http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=343991

[jalopi]

That one was a bit too public for the media to not cover.

[BraveUlysses]

This actually made me lol a bit :D

However, crimes with white victims tend to not to get media coverage because it'd be "bad PR" or "not fair", so we wouldn't even get the chance to "git to-a llynchin' " since we wouldn't even know about the crime anyway

Do you even try to substantiate the validity of your own claims when you say something like this? your definition of "to not get media coverage" is so entirely subjective that it's laughable.

Pretty much any triple murder is uncommon enough to warrant getting on the news.

[jalopi]

Considering you come from a town where a triple murder would be almost half of the total murders in the past decade, yeah that would probably be big news for your town.

If you can find ANYTHING that demonizes a minority involved in a minority-on-white crime like how whites are commonly demonized in white-on-minority crime in the media I'd like to see it.

And no, facebook / social media rants don't count. Terror attacks / military actions don't count either, the media gobbles that shit up like candy. It has to come from a legit media outlet

[BraveUlysses]

I'm in the greater Seattle metro area, not some isolated city, so I'm not sure what point you were trying to make with that comment. Just because the suburb city of Lynnwood does not have a lot of murders doesn't mean I don't listen to what happens locally in the news.

As for the rest of your post, I'm not sure what you want me to show or prove--you're demanding something that entirely depends on your perspective of 'demonizing' and it's pretty obvious that you're not particularly adept at judging what that qualification is or how often it happens.

[jalopi]

Dude your arguments always seem to revolve around some variation of "let me see your sources/references", followed immediately by your (obviously unbiased) opinion. Even if someone does provide a link or article it's dismissed because it doesn't agree with your opinion. I'm pulling a verbal Judo and tossing your signature tactic right back at you

This is just how the media portrays crime now. If a non-minority (read: white) commits a crime on a minority person, they're "bad" and "evil". It could never be because they're just fucking crazy or something. But portray a minority as "bad" and "evil" after committing a crime against a non-minority? People would lose their fucking minds. The minority group portrayed as "bad" and "evil" would be screaming for blood and someone at the media outlet would definitely be fired.

Also, the point I was trying to make about your area is that desensitization is totally a thing. When someone only gets killed once about every three weeks I bet people do lose their shit about it and the incident gets media coverage. When someone's getting killed roughly ever other day it's not that big a deal any more.

(inb4 variation of "do you even check your sources")

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Seattle-Washington.html

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Baltimore-Maryland.html

[BraveUlysses]

Dude your arguments always seem to revolve around some variation of "let me see your sources/references", followed immediately by your (obviously unbiased) opinion. Even if someone does provide a link or article it's dismissed because it doesn't agree with your opinion. I'm pulling a verbal Judo and tossing your signature tactic right back at you

This is just how the media portrays crime now. If a non-minority (read: white) commits a crime on a minority person, they're "bad" and "evil". It could never be because they're just fucking crazy or something. But portray a minority as "bad" and "evil" after committing a crime against a non-minority? People would lose their fucking minds. The minority group portrayed as "bad" and "evil" would be screaming for blood and someone at the media outlet would definitely be fired.

Wait, so it's my fault you're making a non-substantial argument about who gets demonized in the media? You can't prove or substantiate anything that you're claiming is happening regarding who gets demonized by "the media" and who doesn't.

The reason I asked you to do this is because the onus is on you to prove your own arguments, not for me to prove them for you.

[jalopi]

No, my point is that you're also guilty making non-substantial arguments all the time, just like everyone else. It's almost like you expect people to provide references for each opinion or statement that they make like they're writing a goddamn term paper. I could understand your stance if you made statements like:

"I think X is X"

https://www.whatever.com

But that's not the case. If you disagree with someone's opinion, you cry "blah blah blah you can't prove it you don't have sources let me see your sources blah"

Play by your own rules or be labeled as an opinionated asshole, just like the rest of us