Mass Shooting - Umpqua Community College

[marshallnoise]

Oh for fucks sake, would all you damn idiots get off it already?

You really think the gov't is afraid of us now? Hell no. They act (or don't act depending on how you look at it) with impunity and have for decades.

I love this deluded fantasy that guys that own some rifles and handguns, that go to the range a few times per year think, that somehow, they would be able to mass any kind of rebellion against the Armed forces of this country.

*insert dipshit comment about how armed forces members wouldn't turn their guns on American citizens*

Why couldn't we? It took 3% of the colonies to initiate a revolution.

Make all the fun you want.

[ahrensNW]

Why couldn't we? It took 3% of the colonies to initiate a revolution.

Make all the fun you want.

England didn't have nuclear warheads and anti-tank aircraft...

[marshallnoise]

Ye of little faith.

[kronus]

actually I have a lot of faith that england didn't have nuclear warheads and anti-tank aircraft in the 1700s.

[cale]

^no, but he was also killed by an armor piercing round. which is legal in the US. So why do we need armor piercing rounds again?

I'll take being shot with armor piercing ammunition over a soft point hunting round any day of the week.

[4x4_e30]

...nothing sensible, nothing that would actually help anyone who is on this path, will even be considered or proposed, because it is too hard, and too slow. The only thing that will be on the table over the next few months, the only thing that will make the news, is a push for some new gun control laws.

The problem is cultural and political, and until America is willing to accept that our culture and politics are backwards, illogical and sick, and work together towards change, nothing will change.

You hit the nail on the head with a 50lb sledge hammer.

[marshallnoise]

You hit the nail on the head with a 50lb sledge hammer.

It was a great soap box speech!

[2761377]

meanwhile, crickets from the media on the shooter's motivation- killing Christians.

I guess @ChristianLivesDon'tMatter.

another interesting tidbit- that is the same school attended by the Oregon Guardsman who help foil the train terror attack. Vengeance?

http://www.kezi.com/news/video/Alek_Skarlatos_Returns_to_Roseburg_Following_Shooting.html

[Ether-D]

Hey guys! Who likes peanut butter? Also, varg for r3v president.

[Vedubin01]

^no, but he was also killed by an armor piercing round. which is legal in the US. So why do we need armor piercing rounds again?

ah armor piercing bullets are not legal here in the USA.


18 USC 921 (a)-

" It shall be illegal.........

(7) for any person to manufacture or import armor piercing
ammunition, unless -
(A) the manufacture of such ammunition is for the use of the
United States, any department or agency of the United States,
any State, or any department, agency, or political subdivision
of a State;
(B) the manufacture of such ammunition is for the purpose of
exportation; or
(C) the manufacture or importation of such ammunition is for
the purpose of testing or experimentation and has been
authorized by the Attorney General;
(8) for any manufacturer or importer to sell or deliver armor
piercing ammunition, unless such sale or delivery -
(A) is for the use of the United States, any department or
agency of the United States, any State, or any department,
agency, or political subdivision of a State;
(B) is for the purpose of exportation; or
(C) is for the purpose of testing or experimentation and has
been authorized by the Attorney General; (!1)

I'll take being shot with armor piercing ammunition over a soft point hunting round any day of the week.

+1

[mrsleeve]

^

Dub I am betting since most center fire rifle cartridges will defeat most soft body armor that = AP round in the anti firearm persons mind, just like how the logic runs that a hunting rifle with a decent chunk of glass on it is now a "sniper rifle" in some camps of the anti crowd ...... Kinda like how NJ banned hollow point because they are "cop killer" boolits, though I would rather get hit in the vest with a HP than a fucking ball round.

Yo

[ahrensNW]

Hollow points are designed to mushroom well. Poly tips are designed to make an even nastier musroom. I'd be willing to bet that a standard fmj round would go through a vest quicker than a hollow point.

[Massimo]

We should not accept mass shootings at all. I don't think people generally do accept them. However, when people blame the guns and suggest banning access to them as if that is what will solve the problem, they are missing the real problem. A psycho is still a psycho whether there is a gun in their hand or not.

While we deal with psychos and how to handle them, we don't need to "pass common sense gun laws" that are inevitably used to take guns from law-abiding citizens in the name of the "greater good." These situations are always turned into a power grab which does two things; 1st, it distracts us from dealing with the psychos and 2nd, it rips rights away while simultaneously puts more power into the hands of the government.

Wschnitz, stop clicking on this thread then. Choice is always yours.

I feel like people only do this shit because they know the media will talk about them for 2 weeks straight. Guns are not the issue, fucking psychopaths are the issue. If they didn't have guns I'm sure they would find another way.

This is a very common argument for all you Pro gun guys in the USA.

So what the fuck are you doing about it? I believe in Arizona you can go to a gun festival and buy a gun with no back ground check or anything. Is that correct?

Its pretty simple make the acquisition of guns actually require some regulations and make it standard nation wide.

Australia cracked down on there gun laws after the port arthor massacre in 1996. You can still get just about any gun besides full automatics, I don't see how this is an issue?

Yes we have still had some massacres after the fact 8 to be precise. That is 8 in 20 years and only two of which are firearms related.

End of the day massacres keep happen innocent people keep dying, and all you guys do is argue with each other without even trying to compromise.

Its pathetic and sad to say the least, all the people are dying and simply put no one seems to really care because they can't have it their way.

Edit: If I was American I would be very ashamed. A first world country that is supposedly the country everyone should look up to, but they can't even get there own shit under control.

One more Edit. Even if strict gun control didn't stop every massacre but 1, who the fuck are you to argue that you should keep your guns because it wont stop the massacres. Even if it only saved 5 lives that is enough for me to change those laws. I would like to see one of you pro gun guys go up to a victims family and explain to them that you will not give up your guns even if it was to only save a hand full of lives every year.

[marshallnoise]

This is a very common argument for all you Pro gun guys in the USA.

So what the fuck are you doing about it? I believe in Arizona you can go to a gun festival and buy a gun with no back ground check or anything. Is that correct?

Its pretty simple make the acquisition of guns actually require some regulations and make it standard nation wide.

Australia cracked down on there gun laws after the port arthor massacre in 1996. You can still get just about any gun besides full automatics, I don't see how this is an issue?

Yes we have still had some massacres after the fact 8 to be precise. That is 8 in 20 years and only two of which are firearms related.

End of the day massacres keep happen innocent people keep dying, and all you guys do is argue with each other without even trying to compromise.

Its pathetic and sad to say the least, all the people are dying and simply put no one seems to really care because they can't have it their way.

Edit: If I was American I would be very ashamed. A first world country that is supposedly the country everyone should look up to, but they can't even get there own shit under control.

One more Edit. Even if strict gun control didn't stop every massacre but 1, who the fuck are you to argue that you should keep your guns because it wont stop the massacres. Even if it only saved 5 lives that is enough for me to change those laws. I would like to see one of you pro gun guys go up to a victims family and explain to them that you will not give up your guns even if it was to only save a hand full of lives every year.

That's fine and all. But your solution still blames guns. You can't stop crazy. You can only limit the effects of crazy. You have two choices to limit the effects of crazy; burden the crazies or burden the masses.

Life cannot be sanitized.

[marshallnoise]

What I am for is institutionalizing sociopaths and psychopaths like we used to.