Am I the only person who likes Bernie?

[Wschnitz]

Believe me, im with you that hes uninformed on those issues, but It just wont happen, a nationwide ban that is. You would end up with a civil war on your hands.

[Exodus_2pt0]

If you haven't noticed, I mostly stay out of here.

I just find it interesting that someone who posts in the gun thread so much, would be for a person who is completely against "guns specifically built to kill."

I purposely pointed out the AK47, because that is the weapon he seems to like referencing when he talks about banning "assault weapons."

He also doesn't believe in high cap magazines, so stock up on those as well before you vote for him.

No, I'm not a "single issue voter", but I do have certain deal breakers.

[Wschnitz]

Wow someone is getting all antsy over forgetting apostrophes.

It was a joke about the silly obsession over the bird that landed on his podium, and you went full hick instead of catching the joke.

I understand this is the P&R thread but some of you act like its your job to make sure every comment is politically charged against the other guy.

Also I doubt Bernie will actually ban them, vermont was against banning anything, one of the most free states in the nation for firearms, and he listened to them.

[Exodus_2pt0]

I can read fine, unless I am mistaken that regardless of your pun above, you are a Sanders supporter correct?

By the way, I'm not glad that you can't use proper punctuation.

[Wschnitz]

Im glad you cant read.

[Exodus_2pt0]

Birdie sanders 2016!!!

If that happens, you better buy a few more of those AK-47's you like before he takes office.

[Wschnitz]

Birdie sanders 2016!!!

[markseven]

Trump's position on many things is for political expedience, only. This was something I detested when Obama was campaigning.

Cruz will be divisive and alienate non-Christians.

Kasich is great, but has a snowball's chance (all viable candidates are in this bucket, unfortunately).

Hillary has always been a non-starter.

While I don't agree with Bernie's ideology, he appears to have the most character and integrity (as much as any politician at this level can have, and still remain a pol). I am basing my decision on this alone. I think I am going to vote for Bernie and simply deal with the SC nomination(s) as they come.

[Wschnitz]

My tin foil hat is back on today, Arizona was a mess, democracy my ass.

[mrsleeve]

FAIR TAX....... NOT A V.A.T. allows the taxing agent too much freedom and ease to raise taxes with out much uproar. Not to mention adds layer upon layer of complexity to the system on the production end of things

[BraveUlysses]

You're right that it's not the same 400 highest income households on the list every year but economic mobility isn't really measured by who's in the top 400 highest incomes in a given year. Those people are outliers and not indicative of how economic mobility works for 99.9% of the population. Economic mobility has stalled out the US in the past 20 years and is not as mobile as most americans believe it is.

I think a VAT would only work if this country is ready to give up on its rampant consumerism and I dont see that happening.

[gwb72tii]

wow thanks for the civil tone

my point is that the federal government cannot alter the gap thru punitive tax rates. it has never worked in the past so why would it work now? but punitive tax rates would make you feel better somehow?
the wealth gap/income gap shows a functioning economy because the 1% turns over all the time, there are few permanent members. it means there is mobility. that's a good thing.

what's exacerbated the issue is fed policy, greenspan, bernanke and now yellen. their policies have benefited the rich at the expense of everyone else. if you want to even the disparity, get the fed out of trying to manage the economy, cut taxes for everyone, and cut spending. let's get the government to live within it's means. getting our economy back to a 3%+ real growth rate will help.

or how about something outside the box? eliminate personal taxes altogether, institute a VAT, lower corp taxes to a flat 10%.

[BraveUlysses]

troll some more mr uslysses
never said it could not be fixed, or that there is no inequality. it does not need to be fixed. and yes income inequality/wealth inequality, whatever term you want to assign this non problem, is a sign of a functiong economy, it's a good thing. it means you and mr kershaw being stuck on the bottom is not permanent. perhaps you two will get tired of envying those that have wealth and work harderr and smarter.
taking from the rich will not solve what you two believe to be unjust, which is really your complaint. taking from the rich will not make your lives better. and those in the top 1% are not the same people year after year. they go up, and down.
there is no economic theory i am aware of that supports the belief that taking large amounts of money out of an economy yields a more robust economy. made you feel good perhaps, but a 91% marginal bracket does not cause an economy to expand faster.
the most famous progressive economist, alan greenspan, said "all taxes are regressive", they all slow the economy.

You're conflating a bunch of different things here: wealth and income inequality are related to but not the same as economic mobility.

Secondly, I'm not at the bottom and I'm not envious. I earn a great paycheck and have good benefits, and have been continuously employed since I graduated from college in 2005. I'm comfortable being in the middle class and want to ensure the middle class does not continue to shrink and be burdened with additional taxes. I live within my means, thank you very much.

Thirdly, my apologies if you did not say that wealth inequality did not exist, I probably made the mistake of paying attention to another terrible marshal post.


Now, with that out of the way, do you honestly believe that there's absolutely no wealth distribution (ignoring government enforced wealth redistribution, because I nor you are advocating that) ratio that would cause you concern? We're already seeing insane percentages go to fewer and fewer people and less and less to the rest of the population--at what point would it concern you that the system is rigged and needs to be fixed? How lopsided would the distribution have to be before it concerns you?

Please don't quote greenspan, he's part of the reason we had the financial shitstorm of 2008.

[gwb72tii]

You've moved the goalposts 3 times now, first it was "inequality doesn't exist" and then it was "it's proof of a functioning capitalist economy" and now it's "something cannot be fixed"

Coward, through and through.

troll some more mr uslysses
never said it could not be fixed, or that there is no inequality. it does not need to be fixed. and yes income inequality/wealth inequality, whatever term you want to assign this non problem, is a sign of a functiong economy, it's a good thing. it means you and mr kershaw being stuck on the bottom is not permanent. perhaps you two will get tired of envying those that have wealth and work harderr and smarter.
taking from the rich will not solve what you two believe to be unjust, which is really your complaint. taking from the rich will not make your lives better. and those in the top 1% are not the same people year after year. they go up, and down.
there is no economic theory i am aware of that supports the belief that taking large amounts of money out of an economy yields a more robust economy. made you feel good perhaps, but a 91% marginal bracket does not cause an economy to expand faster.
the most famous progressive economist, alan greenspan, said "all taxes are regressive", they all slow the economy.

[marshallnoise]

Wait so when there is an example of higher tax rates working its "moving goalposts, can write off a lot" but when you talk about marginal tax rates and ways to write off now its "the end of the world commiemurica tax oblivion 2016 ethanbradberry"

Whoa whoa whoa, what are you saying? You simply can't claim that the base tax rates were higher back in the day and we were more prosperous because of it and be telling the whole story. That's all I am saying.