Standing Rock vs Dakota pipeline

[decay]

Good comeback.

okay

looks like nando and i are on one side of this thing, and sleeve/gwb are on the other because they are employed or have investments

does "says the dude who is making a lot of noise about a fight he doesn't actually have a personal stake in" work better?

because that's why i told you to shut up a few days ago

if you want to have a voice here? see if you can get hired by whatever company is providing security for ETC and i'll see you on the other side of the wire

otherwise you are an annoying roaring mouse, and you should stfu and let the adults discuss the matter

[marshallnoise]

okay

looks like nando and i are on one side of this thing, and sleeve/gwb are on the other because they are employed or have investments

does "says the dude who is making a lot of noise about a fight he doesn't actually have a personal stake in" work better?

because that's why i told you to shut up a few days ago

if you want to have a voice here? see if you can get hired by whatever company is providing security for ETC and i'll see you on the other side of the wire

otherwise you are an annoying roaring mouse

In what way don't I have a personal stake in this? Free flow of oil increases the capacity in the economy. You stand directly in the way of that in the name of "progress." Too bad that word was high-jacked by regressives like yourself.

You are a religious zealot, and that's all environmentalism is; an exhibition of religious extremism where the god you pray to is mother-earth.

Only people who are bullies tell people to shut up when confronted with something they don't like or a dissenting opinion. Oh, and telling me I have to actually go there to even speak on the topic. Do you have any idea how shitty you look when you say that stuff? Its not a good color on anyone, including you.

All from me saying "good comeback." Loose cannon man. That's what you are too.

[decay]

you're a zealot too, you're just worshiping at the altar of capitalism. i picked a different one. sorry

[marshallnoise]

you're a zealot too, you're just worshiping at the altar of capitalism. i picked a different one. sorry

Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. - Barry Goldwater

[decay]

Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. - Barry Goldwater

i love that you chose that asshole as the guy to quote.

[marshallnoise]

i love that you chose that asshole as the guy to quote.

I am glad you like it! :p

[decay]

I am glad you like it! :p

people like him are the reason people like me exist, fyi. :)

[marshallnoise]

people like him are the reason people like me exist, fyi. :)

Care to explain? And you should thank him for your existence.

Edit:

Horrible, horrible man.
"The turn will come when we entrust the conduct of our affairs to the men who understand that their first duty as public officials is to divest themselves of the power that they have been given. It will come when Americans, in hundreds of communities throughout the nation, decide to put the man in office who is pledged to enforce the Constitution and restore the Republic. Who will proclaim in a campaign speech: 'I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel the old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed in their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is “needed” before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents’ “interests,” I shall reply that I was informed their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can.'”

Barry Goldwater, The Conscience of a Conservative, (1960) p. 17.

[z31maniac]

i love that you chose that asshole as the guy to quote.

Ad Hominem

[BraveUlysses]

Ad Hominem

not really, an ad hominem attack is one that uses a personal attack on the poster instead of the subject (barry)

barry goldwater was a huge piece of shit

[marshallnoise]

not really, an ad hominem attack is one that uses a personal attack on the poster instead of the subject (barry)

barry goldwater was a huge piece of shit

Why was he a piece of shit?

[decay]

alright, sure. i actually would like the discourse between you and i to become a little more civil (edit: addressing marshall here, apparently i didn't quote)- but you've made that a challenge at times.

let's start with "preventing welfare is extending freedom" being a seriously stupid thing to say. you do understand that enabling the poor to live and not become the homeless is also good for the economy, right? nobody is a producer and contributing and buying things if they're sleeping in an alley.

and i am happy with who i am, so i suppose you are right- i should thank authoritarians for creating people like me who are willing to fight back.

[marshallnoise]

alright, sure. i actually would like the discourse between you and i to become a little more civil (edit: addressing marshall here, apparently i didn't quote)- but you've made that a challenge at times.

let's start with "preventing welfare is extending freedom" being a seriously stupid thing to say. you do understand that enabling the poor to live and not become the homeless is also good for the economy, right? nobody is a producer and contributing if they're sleeping in an alley.

and i am happy with who i am, so i suppose you are right- i should thank authoritarians for creating people like me who are willing to fight back.

If you think he proposed eliminating all welfare, I think you'd be mistaken. He was talking about how welfare enslaves people to their master, Uncle Sam. Moreover, preventing welfare also means that you don't need it because of a vibrant, thriving economy.

I am not sure you know what authoritarians are. If you did, you would realize the left is full of autocrats. But you are free to believe what you wish and be who you are. So enjoy.

EDIT: I like how I "have caused you to be uncivil" as if you had no control over it. Interesting observation.

[decay]

I am not sure you know what authoritarians are.

...

you do remember i was in the army, right? like, enlisted after my r3v join date, served, still here?

edit: and fuck, man, i wasn't blaming you for our (mutual) lack of civility- i was expressing a desire to knock that shit off. it IS a challenge to talk across the aisle. that's why most people suck at it, but i'm trying.

[marshallnoise]

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you do remember i was in the army, right? like, enlisted after my r3v join date, served, still here?

Not sure how that qualifies you to understand what authoritarians are.

edit: and fuck, man, i wasn't blaming you for our (mutual) lack of civility- i was expressing a desire to knock that shit off. it IS a challenge to talk across the aisle. that's why most people suck at it, but i'm trying.

Fair enough. Sorry to have induced you. Discourse shouldn't be difficult if you keep emotions out of it.