Vault 7

[gwb72tii]

^^
this from devo

and we are all seeing it play out. ignore you may not like trump or his staff. to have the data shared, to unmask who was recorded, to have someone's private conversations selectively leaked is incredibly immoral and dangerous.

[marshallnoise]

All. of. the. this. Shockwave is spot on. I was going to post something very similar.

And as Farbin said, All your base are belong to us.

It's why they build massive data centers everywhere. They don't care about actively watching threats. It's easier to capture everything, catalog and analyze it at the same time and archive it all. Storage space is cheap, why not store petabytes ontop of gigapaloozabtyes. It's actually depressing, this has been happening long before 9/11 and key whistle blowers didn't like what they saw and said things or stepped down. Technology was being seen as a way to push further past what was morally ok to do, but they continued anyways. We didn't care when people were trying to tell us it's gone too far, and still people aren't phased by it. It was on the cover of the WSJ I picked up at the office when the story broke, but nobody cares. The majority of the population doesn't care as long as their regular lives just get to continue on and their dopamine levels are taken care of by media, gossip, prescriptions, or other means. To throw in some celebrity into this rant... as the late Bill Paxton said, "Game over man, game over." Enjoy the decline we've already lost the war on privacy and self rights. Might as well use the wiretap and tracking tools for our own enjoyment, because I sadly don't see anything changing.

And hence why wire-tap is a generic term used to describe surveillance of any variety and has been this way for almost 20 years. The media is totally fucked on this as if we needed more proof.

[DEV0 E30]

I've been following this subject for a long while now, well before the Snowden leaks. Your government has literally created a turnkey police state, and it's pretty terrifying.

The media is WAY off on the F.I.S.A. wiretapping scandal coverage: there simply is no need to tap anyone's phone line anymore. That's an outdated technological process which has been rendered extinct by modern telecommunications networks which are all digital. ALL phones - mobile included - are now tapped the instant they connect to the network. The tapping process is fully automated. The N.S.A., C.I.A. and F.B.I. are also archiving every phone call, e-mail, text message, post, and often even offline content such as private documents and images of EVERY United States citizen at home and abroad (in addition to their foreign surveillance operations).

The F.I.S.A. court is pointless theatre reserved for occasions when the administration wants to put on a good show. Any government operator with security clearance - and many civilian contractors - can access the archived information on anyone they wish - Trump and Sessions included.

Speaking of Sessions, his in person meeting would be the only event in the current news cycle which would have required actual bugging of his office. There is no other way for what was discussed to exist in transcript form.

Some sources for you:

https://www.wired.com/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/

https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/nsa-...rview-blarney/

All. of. the. this. Shockwave is spot on. I was going to post something very similar.

And as Farbin said, All your base are belong to us.

It's why they build massive data centers everywhere. They don't care about actively watching threats. It's easier to capture everything, catalog and analyze it at the same time and archive it all. Storage space is cheap, why not store petabytes ontop of gigapaloozabtyes. It's actually depressing, this has been happening long before 9/11 and key whistle blowers didn't like what they saw and said things or stepped down. Technology was being seen as a way to push further past what was morally ok to do, but they continued anyways. We didn't care when people were trying to tell us it's gone too far, and still people aren't phased by it. It was on the cover of the WSJ I picked up at the office when the story broke, but nobody cares. The majority of the population doesn't care as long as their regular lives just get to continue on and their dopamine levels are taken care of by media, gossip, prescriptions, or other means. To throw in some celebrity into this rant... as the late Bill Paxton said, "Game over man, game over." Enjoy the decline we've already lost the war on privacy and self rights. Might as well use the wiretap and tracking tools for our own enjoyment, because I sadly don't see anything changing.

[Shock(/\)ave]

I've been following this subject for a long while now, well before the Snowden leaks. Your government has literally created a turnkey police state, and it's pretty terrifying.

The media is WAY off on the F.I.S.A. wiretapping scandal coverage: there simply is no need to tap anyone's phone line anymore. That's an outdated technological process which has been rendered extinct by modern telecommunications networks which are all digital. ALL phones - mobile included - are now tapped the instant they connect to the network. The tapping process is fully automated. The N.S.A., C.I.A. and F.B.I. are also archiving every phone call, e-mail, text message, post, and often even offline content such as private documents and images of EVERY United States citizen at home and abroad (in addition to their foreign surveillance operations).

The F.I.S.A. court is pointless theatre reserved for occasions when the administration wants to put on a good show. Any government operator with security clearance - and many civilian contractors - can access the archived information on anyone they wish - Trump and Sessions included.

Speaking of Sessions, his in person meeting would be the only event in the current news cycle which would have required actual bugging of his office. There is no other way for what was discussed to exist in transcript form.

Some sources for you:

https://www.wired.com/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/

https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/nsa-spy-prgrams-prism-fairview-blarney/

[decay]

You can turn those features off but not if the gov't is able to turn them on without me knowing.

yeah, that's the scary part- the government purchased this malware on the open market; they are not the only ones capable of deploying it.

the wapo's coverage was actually pretty honest reporting; check it out.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/wikileaks-says-it-has-obtained-trove-of-cia-hacking-tools/2017/03/07/c8c50c5c-0345-11e7-b1e9-a05d3c21f7cf_story.html

i am pretty curious what the delivery mechanism is for the smartphone stuff, especially iphone.

[marshallnoise]

If you have a smartphone of any kind, you are carrying around such a listening device.

That's how they respond to "hey Siri" or "ok google"- if they are powered on, they are listening.

Yeah, I know and realize that. You can turn those features off but not if the gov't is able to turn them on without me knowing. I do talk to the NSA every once in a while when I am lonely.

[decay]

If you have a smartphone of any kind, you are carrying around such a listening device.

That's how they respond to "hey Siri" or "ok google"- if they are powered on, they are listening.

[marshallnoise]

yeah, sorry, i work in internet security, so this stuff is daily-use language for me.

(also i am trying to establish a bit of civility between the two of us, for everyone's benefit.)

and you're *absolutely* right that it doesn't give either government or corporate actors license to surveil, but they're doing it.

Gotcha. Not totally familiar with the lingo. This was a huge deal to me about 10 years ago when google started showing you ads of what you were searching before. I know its not new. But I cut the line off at shit that listens to me or can see me. I can control what I search and what shows up in my Amazon/YouTube list by using private browsing.

[decay]

That helps. I have an Amazon Echo that I hooked up for 3 minutes, played around with it and then put it away. Very cognizant of big brother.

Still not sure that merely having these items gives license to the government to spy on us.

yeah, sorry, i work in internet security, so this stuff is daily-use language for me.

(also i am trying to establish a bit of civility between the two of us, for everyone's benefit.)

and you're *absolutely* right that it doesn't give either government or corporate actors license to surveil, but they're doing it.

[marshallnoise]

That helps. I have an Amazon Echo that I hooked up for 3 minutes, played around with it and then put it away. Very cognizant of big brother.

Still not sure that merely having these items gives license to the government to spy on us.

[Farbin Kaiber]

"jack's complete lack of surprise", basically. expect "internet of things" devices to be utilized for surveillance in general; they are typically insecure and there are already botnets being created on them.

I am having a hard time deciphering what you said. Engrish preaze?

Maybe I can help...

Fight Club reference to internal statement describing a book that speaks from the viewpoint of strange body parts. short and direct, "Duh."

All your base are belong to us... we have already bought and paid for our own cages, by putting technology that was pushed for mainstream adoption to be utilized to monitor the populous.

Not to mention, you wanted cheap shit, so the technology cage you bought isn't very robust in the security department because it's only a TV, fridge, thermostat, webcam, roomba.

We already live in a time where these innocuous items are already part of a large network designed to DDoS all sorts of stuff on the internet.

[marshallnoise]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_of_things

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botnet

I wouldn't call this effective communication, but maybe I am the crazy one.

[decay]

I am having a hard time deciphering what you said. Engrish preaze?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_of_things

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botnet

[Farbin Kaiber]

^^Pretty much.

I'm just interested in how this plays into the 'Russians' hacking our election, but our CIA e-spooks have been stealing the 'markers' of other states and using them as breadcrumbs to hide behind and maintain a narrative that its an enemy, but its us.

I also find it interesting that Michael Hastings was in the midst of investigating John Brennan when his high-speed collision with a palm tree that left his corpse burned beyond identification.

[marshallnoise]

"jack's complete lack of surprise", basically. expect "internet of things" devices to be utilized for surveillance in general; they are typically insecure and there are already botnets being created on them.

I am having a hard time deciphering what you said. Engrish preaze?