Let's talk about anarchy!

[decay]

Neither are you. You told me to go fuck myself because you're incapable of seeing the reality of the microsocialism you're peddling.

it is happening, right now, where i live. if you don't like the idea, nobody's asking for your participation.

and i said that to you because you seem to think you're entitled to give me orders. i don't "need" to do anything on your say-so. :)

[Mediumrarechicken]

Ruht roh https://www.njhomelandsecurity.gov/a...tifa?rq=antifa

[z31maniac]

What? The Antifa using fascism to fight fascism?

Did you just now realize this huge bowl of hypocrisy?

[marshallnoise]

It's ok cause they are doing it.

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[mrsleeve]

Its thier brand fascism so it's ok because they are not like the other fascists so there is no hypocrisy

[Hooffenstein HD]

Its thier brand fascism so it's ok because they are not like the other fascists so there is no hypocrisy

Just like how they sit in Starbucks and use their iphones and laptops to post about the evils of a capitalist driven society and praise the failed system of socialism. Socialism has failed every time it has been tried but that's just the wrong kind of socialism.

[Mediumrarechicken]

Just like how they sit in Starbucks and use their iphones and laptops to post about the evils of a capitalist driven society and praise the failed system of socialism. Socialism has failed every time it has been tried but that's just the wrong kind of socialism.

You forgot while using a north face backpack.

I just don't understand how people that support socialism just don't understand it. I make good money for what I do, I worked for it, I don't want anything from anyone if I can't get something then I can't get it. I sure as hell don't want to give my hard earned money out to people because they feel like they want something they can't afford. When I moved out I was dirt poor, i had it rough. I got better jobs to get what I wanted.

[decay]

What? The Antifa using fascism to fight fascism?

Did you just now realize this huge bowl of hypocrisy?

antifa != anarchists just as kkk != christians and isis != muslims and nra != responsible gun owners

[decay]

taking a moment to remember the founding fathers ;)

[decay]

I just don't understand how people that support socialism just don't understand it. I make good money for what I do, I worked for it, I don't want anything from anyone if I can't get something then I can't get it. I sure as hell don't want to give my hard earned money out to people because they feel like they want something they can't afford. When I moved out I was dirt poor, i had it rough. I got better jobs to get what I wanted.

you'd better be a good distance into 6 figures if you want to make that argument with me. rural town in washington? kinda doubt it, unless your daddy's the mayor or owns a car dealership.

what i've described here is not socialism, no matter how hard all of you yell that it is. it's recognizing the reality that we are on our own, but if you don't want your house robbed or your car broken into, it's in your own self-interest to make sure people aren't homeless, hungry, and desperate to the point where they're willing to commit crime and risk getting locked up.

that's not socialism, it's rationalism with a splash of empathy; and it's also the fiscally conservative way to approach the issue. you have to be a mouth-breathing knuckle-dragger to not realize that it's cheaper to run a soup kitchen than a county jail.

[mbonder]

You forgot while using a north face backpack.

I just don't understand how people that support socialism just don't understand it. I make good money for what I do, I worked for it, I don't want anything from anyone if I can't get something then I can't get it. I sure as hell don't want to give my hard earned money out to people because they feel like they want something they can't afford. When I moved out I was dirt poor, i had it rough. I got better jobs to get what I wanted.

I'm not arguing against hard work and pulling yourself up from tough beginnings, but I just want to point out that the American system is actually a capitalist/socialist hybrid. Portions of the way America operates are socialist, you may not need those services now (I'm making an assumption that you're not old enough to collect social security and you're healthy enough to not need medicare/medicaid), but eventually you will and I would bet you'll be happy for those socialist policies when you get there.

It seems easy to harp against people that are on welfare because they are all lazy or lack motivation, or whatever other negative trait you want to assign them (at least it seems as though your argument against socialism is related toward welfare services more than anything else), but the reality is much more nuanced, many of those people don't wish to be in the position where they need assistance, rather than the common belief that they wish to live the rest of their life on handouts.

Welfare is just one portion (and in fact a much smaller portion than health and human services-medicare/medicaid) of the socialist policies that America has in place to ensure that people are taken care of even in the toughest of times. I think that's part of what makes America a better country than the rest, that even in your lowest of lows, your end of days, you're not cast out from society.

To direct this back toward the original intent of the thread, I think that people in some areas that have forsaken interaction with the government (you might call it anarchy if you want, although I'm not 100% convinced based on the arguments so far), have done so because they feel left out of what I described above and are attempting to fill the void with similar programs that are available to all.

[decay]

I think that people in some areas that have forsaken interaction with the government (you might call it anarchy if you want, although I'm not 100% convinced based on the arguments so far)

well, again, that goes back to the discussion of whether pure anarchism can work in the real world we exist in, today.

it might have and likely effectively did at one point, but it doesn't in a globalized civilization.

if you think it can, *you* try it, libertarians, it's the logical endgame of your position in the first place.

i knew going into this thread that i'd be shouted at by a bunch of alex jones adherents who scream "socialism!" when they smell a hint of that idea called "community". most likely because they aren't part of one that could usefully serve as a substitute.

[Mediumrarechicken]

you'd better be a good distance into 6 figures if you want to make that argument with me. rural town in washington? kinda doubt it, unless your daddy's the mayor or owns a car dealership.

what i've described here is not socialism, no matter how hard all of you yell that it is. it's recognizing the reality that we are on our own, but if you don't want your house robbed or your car broken into, it's in your own self-interest to make sure people aren't homeless, hungry, and desperate to the point where they're willing to commit crime and risk getting locked up.

that's not socialism, it's rationalism with a splash of empathy; and it's also the fiscally conservative way to approach the issue. you have to be a mouth-breathing knuckle-dragger to not realize that it's cheaper to run a soup kitchen than a county jail.

How do you figure I need to make 6 figures? The wife and I pull mid 100k a year. I have all the toys I can justify, I could buy bigger and better but I like to build my 401k and savings. Of course a soup kitchen is cheaper than the atrocious prison system. But comparing the 2 isn't possible, they are 2 different animals.

[Mediumrarechicken]

I'm not arguing against hard work and pulling yourself up from tough beginnings, but I just want to point out that the American system is actually a capitalist/socialist hybrid. Portions of the way America operates are socialist, you may not need those services now (I'm making an assumption that you're not old enough to collect social security and you're healthy enough to not need medicare/medicaid), but eventually you will and I would bet you'll be happy for those socialist policies when you get there.

It seems easy to harp against people that are on welfare because they are all lazy or lack motivation, or whatever other negative trait you want to assign them (at least it seems as though your argument against socialism is related toward welfare services more than anything else), but the reality is much more nuanced, many of those people don't wish to be in the position where they need assistance, rather than the common belief that they wish to live the rest of their life on handouts.

Welfare is just one portion (and in fact a much smaller portion than health and human services-medicare/medicaid) of the socialist policies that America has in place to ensure that people are taken care of even in the toughest of times. I think that's part of what makes America a better country than the rest, that even in your lowest of lows, your end of days, you're not cast out from society.

To direct this back toward the original intent of the thread, I think that people in some areas that have forsaken interaction with the government (you might call it anarchy if you want, although I'm not 100% convinced based on the arguments so far), have done so because they feel left out of what I described above and are attempting to fill the void with similar programs that are available to all.

when I'm old enough to retire I won't need social security, unless the stock market fails complelety. As it sits right now I'm putting around 15 to 20% of my income into 401k and other investments, that's on top of the $6 an hour that my company puts into a 401k.

[decay]

Of course a soup kitchen is cheaper than the atrocious prison system. But comparing the 2 isn't possible, they are 2 different animals.

your continuous refusal to see the connection between hunger/desperation/homelessness and crime/prison-industrial complex doesn't mean it doesn't actually exist- it just means that you are either willfully ignorant of it or sufficiently isolated from it.