Sharia protests

[decay]

that aside, your statement that we should get rid of just the terrorist christians, but *all* of the muslims have to go, have made your position pretty clear.

it's just unfortunate that you're part of a voting bloc big enough to get a racist/rapist/con-man elected.

[marshallnoise]

the way you torture logic is likely in violation of the geneva conventions.

Says the guy who berates me for "picking and choosing quotes out of context" while picking and choosing quotes out of context.

Come off it man. Worst. Anarchist. Ever.

[decay]

the way you torture logic is likely in violation of the geneva conventions.

[marshallnoise]

the problem is not me having trouble with context, it's you taking doctrine that has been clearly codified and picking and choosing when it applies.

No no no. That's a tactic YOU engage in. If you understood context and didn't cherry pick your quotes like you say you do, you would have never gone to the Treaty of Tripoli quote in the first place. Why is this so easy?

[marshallnoise]

Just making sure people remember their history. Considering this thread is about Sharian Law, I think the Inquisitions are very relevant. Both attempt to govern non-believers by their laws.

Relevant in that context, but not what decay and I were discussing. I see your point though, if you are not saying that Christians are terrorists because of what the nation of Spain did.

[decay]

the problem is not me having trouble with context, it's you taking doctrine that has been clearly codified and picking and choosing when it applies.

[GAbOS]

The Spanish Inquisition was a collusion of the Spanish Crown and the Catholic Church. Kind of irrelevant. But, when Iran decides to send a nuke to Israel, you can use that as a comparison accurately.

Just making sure people remember their history. Considering this thread is about Sharian Law, I think the Inquisitions are very relevant. Both attempt to govern non-believers by their laws.

[marshallnoise]

you are so absolutely wrong here that i am ignoring everything that follows this argument.

quoting John Adams (yanno, one of those founding father dudes, our 2nd president) from the Treaty of Tripoli:



stated in law, plainly and clearly.

Riiiight. And it is also very clear that the reason why that was included in the Treaty of Tripoli was because we, as a nation, wanted to make it very clear that our fight with the Barbary Pirates was not a Christian Nation fighting a Muslim Nation.

Context is hard for you, isn't it?

[marshallnoise]

Statistics of the Christian Inquisitions yanked from Wikipedia

Beginning in the 19th century, historians have gradually compiled statistics drawn from the surviving court records, from which estimates have been calculated by adjusting the recorded number of convictions by the average rate of document loss for each time period. Gustav Henningsen and Jaime Contreras studied the records of the Spanish Inquisition, which list 44,674 cases of which 826 resulted in executions in person and 778 in effigy (i.e. a straw dummy was burned in place of the person). William Monter estimated there were 1000 executions between 1530–1630 and 250 between 1630–1730. Jean-Pierre Dedieu studied the records of Toledo's tribunal, which put 12,000 people on trial. For the period prior to 1530, Henry Kamen estimated there were about 2,000 executions in all of Spain's tribunals. Italian Renaissance history professor and Inquisition expert Carlo Ginzburg had his doubts about using statistics to reach a judgment about the period. “In many cases, we don’t have the evidence, the evidence has been lost,” said Ginzburg.

The Spanish Inquisition was a collusion of the Spanish Crown and the Catholic Church. Kind of irrelevant. But, when Iran decides to send a nuke to Israel, you can use that as a comparison accurately.

[decay]

Now, I suppose this might irk you, but this nation was most certainly founded on the principles of Christianity.

you are so absolutely wrong here that i am ignoring everything that follows this argument.

quoting John Adams (yanno, one of those founding father dudes, our 2nd president) from the Treaty of Tripoli:

the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.

stated in law, plainly and clearly.

[GAbOS]

Statistics of the Christian Inquisitions yanked from Wikipedia

Beginning in the 19th century, historians have gradually compiled statistics drawn from the surviving court records, from which estimates have been calculated by adjusting the recorded number of convictions by the average rate of document loss for each time period. Gustav Henningsen and Jaime Contreras studied the records of the Spanish Inquisition, which list 44,674 cases of which 826 resulted in executions in person and 778 in effigy (i.e. a straw dummy was burned in place of the person). William Monter estimated there were 1000 executions between 1530–1630 and 250 between 1630–1730. Jean-Pierre Dedieu studied the records of Toledo's tribunal, which put 12,000 people on trial. For the period prior to 1530, Henry Kamen estimated there were about 2,000 executions in all of Spain's tribunals. Italian Renaissance history professor and Inquisition expert Carlo Ginzburg had his doubts about using statistics to reach a judgment about the period. “In many cases, we don’t have the evidence, the evidence has been lost,” said Ginzburg.

[marshallnoise]

Thing is everyone is allowed and welcome here as long as they do it properly and have no I'll will to this country. I have no respect for people that come illegally or try to change my way of life, if you want to come here to succeed, live the American dream, and assimilate I welcome you with open arms

Of course they are. Since you are new here, you aren't aware that decay and I have quite a recent history. We are egging each other on by this line of "reasoning."

[marshallnoise]

your suggestion is not an equitable solution- if all the muslims have to go, then so do all the christians.

or, you could try to understand that organizations like ISIS and Boko Haram do not represent all muslims, just as WBC and the KKK do not represent all christians.

Muslims =/= Christians. Examining the texts alone bear that out.

The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.

Now, I suppose this might irk you, but this nation was most certainly founded on the principles of Christianity.

More over, THIS is the guiding light and context to be viewed through when discussing religious freedom in The United States.

The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.

But anyone who picks my (or yours) pocket or breaks my leg, regardless of their faith, is within the legitimate power of government (that is restraint of). So the important thing here is to discern between being an antagonist like WBC (which exercises extremely poor taste but doesn't pick a pocket or break a leg), an abortion clinic shooter (breaks leg), Islamic Extremist (breaks leg), or merely follower of a or no faith. It is very clear to me that practicing one's faith is fine so long as you aren't a fucking terrorist.

DON'T BE A FUCKING TERRORIST. ;D

[Mediumrarechicken]

Sure! So long as all the Muslims go too.

Now what?

Thing is everyone is allowed and welcome here as long as they do it properly and have no I'll will to this country. I have no respect for people that come illegally or try to change my way of life, if you want to come here to succeed, live the American dream, and assimilate I welcome you with open arms

[decay]

Sure! So long as all the Muslims go too.

Now what?

your suggestion is not an equitable solution- if all the muslims have to go, then so do all the christians.

or, you could try to understand that organizations like ISIS and Boko Haram do not represent all muslims, just as WBC and the KKK do not represent all christians.