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    #31
    Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post
    Funding billys college education..... is good for billy but thats about as far as it goes.
    In which fictitious realm are you living in where education only benefits the educated? This might hold true if we didn't have things like income tax, but we do. Drawing arbitrary lines in the sand of what you deem worthy is not your place, nor are you informed enough to do so if you truly believe an educated society is not a more prosperous one. I'm not a fan of paying for Sally's gender studies degree, but knowing that tax funded education will also put more doctors in hospitals and scientists in labs makes it alright for me.

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      #32
      it also ignores the reality that we compete with other countries who do subsidize education for their citizens, who do so without any of the hand wringing over "paying for other people's education"

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        #33
        You can take it far beyond Income tax. What student with 40k in debt is gonna go out and buy a house right away, (probably overpriced at that cause babyboomer dreams).

        What in debt student is gonna buy a nice car right away.

        The amount of risks taken by taking on loans to go to college is crazy, then people will meme that 'you shoulda just have gone to a trade school'. What trade school, the US is not an overflowing market of factory type jobs anymore, and it still would have cost money to go to said trade school. The argument becomes cyclical when you get back to 'if you can't afford it don't go'.

        Fixing Healthcare and Higher education in some way would be the actual path to 'Making America Great Again', if it isn't already great in a lot of ways.
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          #34
          You can take it far beyond Income tax. What student with 40k in debt is gonna go out and buy a house right away, (probably overpriced at that cause babyboomer dreams).

          What in debt student is gonna buy a nice car right away.

          The amount of risks taken by taking on loans to go to college is crazy, then people will meme that 'you shoulda just have gone to a trade school'. What trade school, the US is not an overflowing market of factory type jobs anymore, and it still would have cost money to go to said trade school. The argument becomes cyclical when you get back to 'if you can't afford it don't go'.

          Fixing Healthcare and Higher education in some way would be the actual path to 'Making America Great Again', if it isn't already great in a lot of ways.
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            #35
            Originally posted by Wschnitz View Post
            You can take it far beyond Income tax. What student with 40k in debt is gonna go out and buy a house right away, (probably overpriced at that cause babyboomer dreams).

            What in debt student is gonna buy a nice car right away.

            The amount of risks taken by taking on loans to go to college is crazy, then people will meme that 'you shoulda just have gone to a trade school'. What trade school, the US is not an overflowing market of factory type jobs anymore, and it still would have cost money to go to said trade school. The argument becomes cyclical when you get back to 'if you can't afford it don't go'.
            You don't go to trade school to be an assembler in a factory.

            "Trade schools typically take a lot less time to complete, have smaller class sizes, and the majority of the training is hands-on, which is an ideal environment for many types of learners. Vocational degrees can lead to well-paying jobs like electrician, mechanic, machinist, pharmacy technician, nuclear technician, and dental hygienist, with room for growth and managerial potential in each field."
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              #36
              Those jobs can't be outsourced like Software development, engineering, etc.
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                #37
                Wasnt meaning like your local paper mill factory, meant more skilled labor type jobs, that usually need experience in machining, welding, etc.

                A lot of trade school esque jobs are related to that idea though is what I was pointing out. Now its a lot more contract type jobs it seems, especially for electricians.

                It doesnt change the meme, 'trade school' really just seems to mean 'engineering degree' now. Which is something that is offered in most colleges.

                Doesn't change that putting younger generations into debt or poverty is bad for the economy.
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                  #38
                  Why not make it to where student loans are limited to 2%? The bank gets something for providing the money and the kid isn't drowned in debt. The student is still responsible for paying for their higher education, but doesn t have the doom of paying tons of interest. It could be a small payment that doesn t break them.

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                    #39
                    it's not a bad idea but rates continue to go up because they are tied to the market instead of set a certain rate for the benefit of our citizens:



                    just went up .7% for 17-18 school year

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Mediumrarechicken View Post
                      Why not make it to where student loans are limited to 2%? The bank gets something for providing the money and the kid isn't drowned in debt. The student is still responsible for paying for their higher education, but doesn t have the doom of paying tons of interest. It could be a small payment that doesn t break them.
                      what on earth makes you think the banks would allow that to happen?
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                        #41
                        Originally posted by decay View Post
                        what on earth makes you think the banks would allow that to happen?
                        Of course they wouldn't do it voluntarily. It's called wishful thinking

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by BraveUlysses View Post
                          The VA is not an example of single payer. this is dumb as hell because you know damn well the VA is poorly managed because republicans regularly undermine it.

                          When discussing single payer why do you ignore the fact that medicare is a great example of a well-run, successful and POPULAR single payer program?

                          it's too good to ignore unless you're a partisan who is making a blatantly dishonest argument.

                          Ummm NO its an 80/20 set with rates strong-armed to much lower pay outs than even the Insurance companies can achieve on most all procedures and leaves you on the hook for most of your prescriptions. Thats why most smart people on Medicare still carry a secondary H/C/I plan to cover much of those major costs, which can be very substantial.

                          The VA is a true US govt managed SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM..........
                          Originally posted by Fusion
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                          The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


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                            #43
                            Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post
                            Ummm NO its an 80/20 set with rates strong-armed to much lower pay outs than even the Insurance companies can achieve on most all procedures and leaves you on the hook for most of your prescriptions. Thats why most smart people on Medicare still carry a secondary H/C/I plan to cover much of those major costs, which can be very substantial.

                            The VA is a true US govt managed SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM..........
                            the VHA is not a single payer system, it's a government run and paid system.

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                              #44
                              Still waiting................
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                                #45
                                Yes paid out of govt coffers only, since they thought they could treat veterans issues cheaped than the private sector. While I suppose your correct,it's not a true single payer system, it is the most accurate depiction of what a federal govt managed and provided health care system will look like in this country. Many of the issues with the US. VA. System are mirrored in most other govt managed care systems around the world in varying degrees of severity, from long wait times to be seen or get treated to being relegateed to near death or loss of limb, before care is deemed "cost approiate"......

                                Waiting on what buddy, I responded to you at length.
                                Originally posted by Fusion
                                If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                                The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                                The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                                Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
                                William Pitt-

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