Let’s talk about Antifa.

[decay]

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[decay]

Why do you have anger issues and.so much hate in your heart?

i know you're imagining me frothing at the mouth, but that's not the case. read my answer again, imagining a tone of casual dismissal with an eyeroll on top.

Oh wait. I'm a nazi....

i have never called you that. an alt-right troll? yes, but i care about those less than i do actual white supremacists.

[cale]

only when referring to actual white supremacists.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/7/25/17613382/nia-wilson-murder-john-lee-cowell-bart

oh hey look, it's that fucked-up world view i've been espousing all along.

you wanted to know why people didn't trust LEOs to do their job? there ya go, champ.

Great, now all you've done is proven that other people think their protests calling for justice while the police are already trying to enact justice, are effective.

While police arrested someone in 63 percent of the killings of white victims, they did so in just 47 percent of those with black victims.”

So are these arrests a result of your efforts too? After reading this thread, we all know justice can't happen without the efforts of protests from the community.

black victims making up more than half of murders in the US in 2016 even as black people generally made up roughly 13 percent of the US population.

Funny how they don't point out the statistics of who's committing these murders, hmm....

[Ryan...]

only when referring to actual white supremacists.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/7/25/17613382/nia-wilson-murder-john-lee-cowell-bart

oh hey look, it's that fucked-up world view i've been espousing all along.

you wanted to know why people didn't trust LEOs to do their job? there ya go, champ.

Good work, champ, your link proves precisely nothing other than the fact that despite a lack of evidence, you feel like you're helping. *insert Simpsons "I'm helping" meme here*

Because some people, untrained in any aspect of law enforcement, have an opinion on how something should have been handled, you take that as truth? They thought the police didn't respond as quickly as they'd like? Yeah, that happens, if we're not right there everyone feels like response time is too long. I feel like response time is too long when I'm going lights and sirens to a shooting 1.5 miles away, fighting traffic and pedestrian traffic.

Limited manpower, large city, what was the call time? What was the response time? Did they break from other calls? Where were they responding from? Traffic time? Was an investigator or detective available? Did they have to get called in?

^^ Show me an article with that information, or even most of it, and then perhaps we'll be able to see if race played absolutely any part in this.

You said you were in the Army, did you not ever hear some uniformed dolt talk about how things "should have been done" without any fucking clue on how things actually operate? That's policing every single hour of every single day.

I've yet to see a single piece of evidence suggesting that you or anyone else helped solve this case by PROTESTING. Someone called in an anonymous tip, that happens quite often around the globe. Many are BS, many come too late to help, many have barely actionable information, but every once in a while you get one that actually helps.

And no, anyone who even dares speak on the top of race or differing politics is often labeled a racist. See Ben Shapiro for reference, the guy is a practicing Jew and is still called a racist by these fucking idiots because he talks about statistics


You want to talk about how the police don't care about solving black crimes, and rely on you, the community for motivation and the will to do their jobs, yet you chose to completely ignore the fact that, as others have touched on, black communities are less likely to cooperate with police.

Sounds to me like the Black Lives Matter group isn't quite happy with the "get rid of police, we'll take care of our own neighborhoods" line of thinking. Turns out, unsurprisingly, they're idiots and and have no fucking idea what it takes to keep their communities safe.

2:25 - 4:37. Take that 2 minutes to watch it. They discuss this exact thing. That doesn't change from Massachusetts, Maryland, Wisconsin, California, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY2Ywf2f2F0

[z31maniac]

Yeah bro, I saw that Vox article (which they are a fucking joke anyway), and didn't use it because the first thing you highlight is CONJECTURE.

And as for saying someone was ignoring the anonymous tip? Yeah, that was you. Not providing any real information.

About 20 minutes of reading and watching local coverage of the event thoroughly debunked the BS story you were trying present.

The false narrative of the event you tried to push here is exactly why groups like Antifa are a joke.

[LowR3V'in]

Social justice worriers who is using them and why
and do they know they're being used is that ok with them

[decay]

Yeah bro, I saw that Vox article (which they are a fucking joke anyway), and didn't use it because the first thing you highlight is CONJECTURE.

And as for saying someone was ignoring the anonymous tip? Yeah, that was you. Not providing any real information.

are you smoking crack? i never said law enforcement ignored an anonymous tip.

About 20 minutes of reading and watching local coverage of the event thoroughly debunked the BS story you were trying present.

The false narrative of the event you tried to push here is exactly why groups like Antifa are a joke.

what i reported here is my experience. but sure, go ahead and put lies in my mouth and then call me a liar for it.

[Ryan...]

are you smoking crack? i never said law enforcement ignored an anonymous tip.



what i reported here is my experience. but sure, go ahead and put lies in my mouth and then call me a liar for it.

How is it that you're the only one here that doesn't seem to remember post after post of you claiming that you and your fellow protesters are the reason this case was solved, other than the cops just showing up to do their job as poorly as possible because the victim was black?

Then I seem to recall you offering absolutely 0 proof to back any of that up, instead choosing to selectively respond to posts here with conjecture trying and backhanded comments.


Seems to me that you expected people here to be impressed, or appreciative of the way you choose to spend your time off. When people told you how we feel about a bunch of people using trash cans as shields and blocking traffic, you became defensive and have repeatedly failed to sway anyone's opinion. Might be time to back away from this thread, regroup with more like-minded folks, and tell yourselves that you're making a real difference in this world. At least they won't challenge your viewpoint or expect concrete proof backing up your statements.

[Mediumrarechicken]

Can we all just move on from this dumb protest in the streets? Let him feel like he did something and we all can move on to fuck antifa again. Thanks

[Mediumrarechicken]

here's a better representation of our ideals:

I was under the understanding that antifa was against communism. I think you went into it with me saying that they were anti communism, yet......

[decay]

How is it that you're the only one here that doesn't seem to remember post after post of you claiming that you and your fellow protesters are the reason this case was solved, other than the cops just showing up to do their job as poorly as possible because the victim was black?

i said the community contributed. given the "anonymous tip" factor; i believe that to be true.

that is NOT the same thing as saying the police actively ignored any intel they received with respect to apprehending this suspect. z31 saying i said that is absolutely untrue. he's fucking lying.

[decay]

I was under the understanding that antifa was against communism. I think you went into it with me saying that they were anti communism, yet......

antifa isn't homogeneous. as the image says, some are anarchists (hi), some are socialists, some are communists.

some lively debates can happen on the subject when we happen to be gathered together- strangely, they stay a lot more civil and less mouth-frothy than this thread has. it's almost as if we've learned to settle our differences civilly and unite under some common goal...

honest question: what about that brief manifesto image do you agree with?

[Ryan...]

i said the community contributed. given the "anonymous tip" factor; i believe that to be true.

that is NOT the same thing as saying the police actively ignored any intel they received with respect to apprehending this suspect. z31 saying i said that is absolutely untrue. he's fucking lying.

The tone of this entire recent discussion was not that you think the community merely helped, you were taking credit on behalf of Antifa and the other protesters for spurring those pesky LEOs into doing their job, or else nothing would have happened because the victim in this case was black.

That's an undeniable statement right there for anyone interested and capable of reading the last 5 pages of posts here.

[Mediumrarechicken]

antifa isn't homogeneous. as the image says, some are anarchists (hi), some are socialists, some are communists.

some lively debates can happen on the subject when we happen to be gathered together- strangely, they stay a lot more civil and less mouth-frothy than this thread has. it's almost as if we've learned to settle our differences civilly and unite under some common goal...

honest question: what about that brief manifesto image do you agree with?

Ots kinda hard to lock down since it says it started in the 30's and another says isnt funded by anyone, but I'll try. I like my guns, dont support Democrats, but I believe anyone should be able to assemble, racist or otherwise xoesnt mean mean you have to give them any attention( I believe these types meet up just for the attention and to ruffle feathers) and you all give it to them. Going from that I believe in a smaller government that doesnt overwatch and control people so much and i want a ton more personal freedom

[decay]

The tone of this entire recent discussion was not that you think the community merely helped, you were taking credit on behalf of Antifa and the other protesters for spurring those pesky LEOs into doing their job, or else nothing would have happened because the victim in this case was black.

That's an undeniable statement right there for anyone interested and capable of reading the last 5 pages of posts here.

it is, and i won't argue it, but that's *not* the same thing as what z31maniac said.

"something might not have been done without community action" does not equal "the police actively ignored a bit of intel they received".