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Originally posted by cale View PostI don't remember the Nazi's giving Jew's an option to voluntarily withdraw their application for immigrant/refugee status and allowing people to leave the centers and return home.
Originally posted by myinfernalbmw View PostSo by this logic people should be able to assault anyone that is "agitating" them? Was there any video of the old guy trying to hit anyone with the baton? All I saw was an old guy that got suckered by no less than 6 elite oper9ers. Even if he was walking down the middle of the street, swinging it around while shouting dissent, how do you try to argue being attacked like that is even remotely morally just?
imagine my surprise
anyway, this was all discussed upthread alreadypast:
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Originally posted by z31maniac View PostYes, this is a fair comparison.
I didn't realize 6 million Jewish people and 6 million handicapped, homosexual, and other "undesireables" simply had to turn around and not illegally enter another country.
The far-reaching exaggeration is why people that make these comparisons aren't taken seriously by the vast majority of the population.
No one is saying they conditions are good, but let's quit pretending it's a fucking genocide.
these are concentration camps- look for other historical examples for a comparison
maybe the way we interned japanese folks during WW2 works for you? those were definitely concentration camps
(though given that people are dying in them, you are almost begging the question of when does it go from the latter to the former)past:
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Originally posted by decay View Postsource? i would like to see a documented example of that happening
these are concentration camps- look for other historical examples for a comparison
maybe the way we interned japanese folks during WW2 works for you? those were definitely concentration camps
(though given that people are dying in them, you are almost begging the question of when does it go from the latter to the former)
It goes from the latter to the former when the intent is to exterminate, not when people are dying in statistically insignificant numbers.
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Fortunately for those snatched from their err..... homes, and shipped via rail to the extermination camps will soon be liberated. These pipehitters are on their way, most of them at least. The lady in the bear shirt is due to give birth at any moment so may need to drop out of the op.
/cheapshot
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Originally posted by decay View Postthe nazis ran extermination camps
these are concentration camps- look for other historical examples for a comparison
maybe the way we interned japanese folks during WW2 works for you? those were definitely concentration camps
(though given that people are dying in them, you are almost begging the question of when does it go from the latter to the former)
And your own words said, "dangerously close to becoming extermination camps" which is such a ludicrous amount of hyperbole, I have to believe you're trolling me.
I disagree with many your "values," but holding illegal immigrants in shitty camps being compared to "the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation."
This is why it's impossible to have any reasonable discourse. Cattle-hearding people, working them in slave camps to the point of starvation, then stripping them and gassing them to death is in NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, comparable to what's happening on the border right now.Need parts now? Need them cheap? steve@blunttech.com
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Originally posted by z31maniac View PostAnd your own words said, "dangerously close to becoming extermination camps" which is such a ludicrous amount of hyperbole, I have to believe you're trolling me.The deaths of 3 detainees since April, along with the release of internal reports about detention center conditions, have spurred an outcry from advocates.
not trolling. again, the question is "where is your personal threshold"
This is why it's impossible to have any reasonable discourse. Cattle-hearding people, working them in slave camps to the point of starvation, then stripping them and gassing them to death is in NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, comparable to what's happening on the border right now.
you think it's just on the border? it is all over the country, and they'll show you where themselves
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Originally posted by decay View Posthttps://www.nbcnews.com/politics/imm...ation-n1015291
not trolling. again, the question is "where is your personal threshold"
once again. we are talking about the difference between concentration camps and extermination camps. you don't have to actively murder people to fit the definition of the former. that's why i mentioned the japanese internment camps during WW2. we have done this before, and i think any native american aware of their own history will tell you the same
you think it's just on the border? it is all over the country, and they'll show you where themselves
https://www.ice.gov/detention-facilities
Using detention center deaths as a rallying point to fight the powers that be is as silly as the fanaticism surrounding the erection of a border wall being the solution to immigration issues.
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Originally posted by cale View PostWhy not protest the domestic prison system then?
Thinktank that uses research, advocacy, and organizing to show how over-criminalization harms individuals, our communities, and the national well-being
yeah we're already doing that
so your objection is that we're protesting a new flavor of the same problem?past:
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Originally posted by decay View Postsleeve
"burying your head in the sand" is pretending it's not fucked up that these agencies are now keeping people in concentration camps that are dangerously close to becoming extermination camps because of the lack of care provided for those detained there
what's obtuse is to pretend that's not fucked up, whatever three-letter agency's watch it happens under
If only there was a way to avoid ending up in there...
...If only...
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Originally posted by MrBurgundy View PostYeah.. breaking the law, then getting punished for it is sooo fucked up.
If only there was a way to avoid ending up in there...
...If only...past:
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Originally posted by decay View Postoh, thank you for pointing out a problem that activists have been working on for decades, that's super insightful
Thinktank that uses research, advocacy, and organizing to show how over-criminalization harms individuals, our communities, and the national well-being
yeah we're already doing that
so your objection is that we're protesting a new flavor of the same problem?
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Originally posted by decay View Postso your chosen media outlet didn't show you the part where he was an aggressor because him being a victim fits their narrative better
imagine my surprise
anyway, this was all discussed upthread already
I don't rely on any specific media outlet. I just searched "man hit by crowbar portland" on youtube. The video I saw started where the old guy was being attacked, and I couldn't find any longer versions, which is why I asked if there was any video showing what you're claiming. I still don't see how you can pretend to maintain any semblance of moral high ground, while continuing to beat someone who is already well on his way to being totally incapacitated.
Originally posted by decay View Postthe nazis ran extermination camps
these are concentration camps- look for other historical examples for a comparison
maybe the way we interned japanese folks during WW2 works for you? those were definitely concentration camps
(though given that people are dying in them, you are almost begging the question of when does it go from the latter to the former)
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Originally posted by decay View Postonce again. if you go looking for trouble, you're probably going to find it.
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Originally posted by decay View Postthe nazis ran extermination camps
these are concentration camps- look for other historical examples for a comparison
maybe the way we interned japanese folks during WW2 works for you? those were definitely concentration camps
(though given that people are dying in them, you are almost begging the question of when does it go from the latter to the former)
FYI
Begging the question is not the same as raising the question.
Begging the question fallacy examples show why this common type of circular reasoning is problematic. See how begging the question works with easy examples.
I know it's a tempting cliche, but such misuse tends to weaken your already fragile argument.sigpic
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