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Originally posted by z31maniac View PostSide note: What did we think of the hit piece on Sanders by Clinton?
Originally posted by z31maniac View PostThe establishment left doesn't want change, they just want to maintain power and Bernie will get shat upon again (not that I would have voted for him).
Originally posted by z31maniac View PostOl' Milquetoast, Creepy Biden is going to ensure another 4 years of the Orange Man in the White House.
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For President? No one.
I was for Gary Johnson in 2016. It doesn't matter, Oklahoma will go red like they always do.
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Originally posted by z31maniac View PostFor President? No one.
I was for Gary Johnson in 2016. It doesn't matter, Oklahoma will go red like they always do.1990 BMW 325iC Triple Black Hard Top, Self-Wrenched, Original Owner Family
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Originally posted by phillipj View Post
Well, come join us in the Oklahoma Democratic Primary at least and help beat back the Establishment.
I have decided the best outcome for the upcoming is this:
The Democratic ticket loses the popular vote, but gets the win with the Electoral College. I want to see if all my lefty friends will still "ugly cry in the streets" about how it's an outdated system that needs to change.Need parts now? Need them cheap? steve@blunttech.com
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Originally posted by z31maniac View Post
The fact is, I don't like Bernie as a candidate either. I'm not really a fan of career politicians telling me if only they have more time and power they can fix it for real this time. Hillary was right about one thing, he has accomplished basically nothing other than getting a bunch of 35 and unders excited they might get the debt from their worthless degree forgiven.
I have decided the best outcome for the upcoming is this:
The Democratic ticket loses the popular vote, but gets the win with the Electoral College. I want to see if all my lefty friends will still "ugly cry in the streets" about how it's an outdated system that needs to change.
Well, there's a spot here for you if you ever do come around on this idea.
You've mischaracterized a few things, though:
1) No one person is going to fix anything at all by themselves. It really will take a sea-change of a tons of regular people calling for a course-correct on any issue to actually do so. And even then you are battling heavily funded special interests, so it's a huge uphill battle. Someone like a Bernie is maybe the most distinct out of the bunch about never promising to "fix" anything by himself; I do see that with a lot of other Narcissistic politicians though, unquestionably Trump takes the cake in that regard. Which is related to:
2) Whoever the President is, they have a somewhat limited effect over Domestic Policy concerning new, big legislation; they have to work with Congress and somehow pass things. Ideas about Student Loans and Medicare for All or the Green New Deal are not going to happen unless tons of people go out and demand it from their congressperson. Which is related to:
3) However, in regards to Foreign Policy, a new President has the potential to change our course much more fluidly. And I don't see any legitimate Presidential possibility, Democrat or Republican, besides Sanders who is serious about changing our status quo, which is a disaster. This month marks the 28th year in a row we have bombed Iraq. We are 18 years at war in Afghanistan. Who is truly going to alter our dangerous relationship with Saudi Arabia? With Israel? With Iran? Who is going to stop the spigot of Billions upon Billions of dollars into Foreign entanglements that make us no safer, and bring that back home where we really need it?
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The Electoral College and the extreme Gerrymandering makes it possible that the least votes can actually win the Presidency in this country. Trump is poised to win again with even less votes than he had in 2016. What are you going to do about it?
In 2016: 26.75% Clinton, 25.59% Trump, 44.5% Didn't Vote
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gerrymandering is what got trump elected right.....91' 318is 90' 325is
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no that's what keeps congress critters in office on both sides. Founding principles is what got trump elected.Originally posted by FusionIf a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
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Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post^
no that's what keeps congress critters in office on both sides. Founding principles is what got trump elected.
gerrymandering doesn't win presidents the election
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Originally posted by cale View Post
Entirely different amounts and paths to their wealth. Bernie is an 78 year old man who still has a solid income, suggesting his $2.5m net worth makes him some sort of evil villain profiting off corruption is a farce.
IDK what's worse... hmmmm
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Originally posted by MrBurgundy View Post
Yeah, bernie's wealth comes from being a career politician. Tax payers have been paying his salary for him to do nothing for 3 decades.
IDK what's worse... hmmmm
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Originally posted by cale View Post
Where's the argument here, that being a paid public servant inherently makes you bad? If you're going to try and discredit someone based on wealth, you probably shouldn't pick someone who didn't even qualify as a millionaire until his late 70s. I don't want people completely driven by money in power either, but I think it's also pretty reasonable to accept that our leaders should display at least a modicum of fiscal responsibility and success. Bernie has written a few books and has a comfortable life to show for it, he's not gotten where he is because he's handed out billion dollar contracts to the right people and operated at the behest of bankers.
I never said he was profiting off corruption, or whatever you're initial response to me was. My whole point is Bernie IS a wealthy guy, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay wealthier than the people he claims to stand for, and his wealth is due to his role as a public servant. He has literally done nothing significant in his 30 something years in the gov and now he wants to be president and everyone thinks he's some kind of angel, because he says tax the rich and cancel student debt.
I just don't buy it. Never do.
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Joe Rogan's recent endorsement of Bernie is supposedly 'controversial'. Some groups & politicians tell him to run away from it, but building a diverse base is a good thing. He should lean into it, not run away from it. It's going to take a coalition of all different sorts to actually win.
Rogan asks pretty good questions on his shows; all the shows with candidates were particularly insightful:
Andrew Yang.
Tulsi, too.
& The Bernie one.Last edited by phillipj; 01-25-2020, 03:49 PM.1990 BMW 325iC Triple Black Hard Top, Self-Wrenched, Original Owner Family
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