Sparco harness Bar install

[Massive Lee]

So how do you feel about a 4pt in a street car, which is my plan. I maiy want it for chassis stiffness and secure harness mounting for auto-x/HPDE

A 4-point rollbar in a street driven car is much safer than a full rollcage as your body is unlikely to hit any tubing, which can't be said with a full cage. When I drive to an event with my fully caged 2002, I kinda feel pretty scared. I do have both types of paddings, but they were made for contact with helmets. Having any tube as far as possible from my head (falsely) reassures me.

[BMWLA]

you know there are cages made for the street with low crash bars i really dont get why you all have such a hardon for this guy

[z31maniac]

Same person who would run a cage in a street car.

What ever happened to a safety 'package'? People just throw random safety parts at cars now and think it's gong to help. Roll bar with stock belts? Sure, why not?

DC, if you run a cage in your street car, what happens when you get t-boned at 15 mph (it happens, happened to me a few years ago), and you bounce your head off a bar? SFI 45.1 padding isn't going to save a bare skull (even your thick one :)). The only way to prevent that is to wear a helmet and harness. Then what happens when you hit something head on? You better have your H&NR on. If you're telling me you're gonna be wearing all that in your street car, well, I don't even know what to say to that.

So how do you feel about a 4pt in a street car, which is my plan. I maiy want it for chassis stiffness and secure harness mounting for auto-x/HPDE

[DSP74]

and another...

I hate seeing this......That really sucks.

Must have slid into the grass sideways?

[JGood]

Who the hell would run a harness bar???? (Unless you like funerals or wheel chairs)

Same person who would run a cage in a street car.

What ever happened to a safety 'package'? People just throw random safety parts at cars now and think it's gong to help. Roll bar with stock belts? Sure, why not?

DC, if you run a cage in your street car, what happens when you get t-boned at 15 mph (it happens, happened to me a few years ago), and you bounce your head off a bar? SFI 45.1 padding isn't going to save a bare skull (even your thick one :)). The only way to prevent that is to wear a helmet and harness. Then what happens when you hit something head on? You better have your H&NR on. If you're telling me you're gonna be wearing all that in your street car, well, I don't even know what to say to that.

[rwh11385]

Crashed a few 510s on the track... I was a lousy race car driver... They should have kept me in the shop and never let me behind the wheel.

When I was 20 I flipped a car off the freeway (Stupid drunk)... Broke nearly everything...Almost killed me.

Everyone called me Mad Max because I wore a brace like his on my left leg until I was 26 or 27.

What a let down. If you followed through you wouldn't be here to randomly post about yourself in peoples' threads.

Who the hell would run a harness bar???? (Unless you like funerals or wheel chairs)

[Massive Lee]

Car won't be accepted at BMWCCA HPDEs as it sports a harness and no rollover protection. Most clubs ban such set-up.

[Mtriple]

and another...

[Mtriple]

I used to own a harness bar in my M3, I will never own one again after seeing this.

I witnessed this 4 point bar save this poor guy at BIR. Notice how the roof is deformed around the bar? Saved the guys life IMO...

[DSP74]

Yes.

[DCColegrove]

So you can weld ti?

Care to do small batches?

Are you asking me?

and if so I missed the question.

[DCColegrove]

So you would put a cage in a street car?

Yeah, I think I would...

I don't have one in my DD but the car I use to test shit will probably get one welded in soon (I gave up on building a good bolt in).

The funniest part of the story I didn't mention...

This brace was stainless steel bar with leather straps and a steel gear on each side of the knee joint...

I took that leg brace and re-fabricated an ultra light weight molly version with titanium hardware and Nomex / Velcro (Velcro was pretty new) straps.

(Improvement.... It's a kind of mental illness)

[JGood]

So you would put a cage in a street car?

[DCColegrove]

Hopefully not in your street car, without the helmet and H&NR.

Crashed a few 510s on the track... I was a lousy race car driver... They should have kept me in the shop and never let me behind the wheel.

When I was 20 I flipped a car off the freeway (Stupid drunk)... Broke nearly everything...Almost killed me.

Everyone called me Mad Max because I wore a brace like his on my left leg until I was 26 or 27.

[notoriousracing]

I watched a 2002 roll over at an autocross in Marina with BMW CCA ~3 years ago.

Yes, it happens. I swept up the glass myself.