Sparco harness Bar install

[JGood]

Based on real world test data that I'm sure is out there on 3 point factory belts.....I'd probably take my factory belts in a street collision/street car.

Exactly.

[JGood]

Yes... You have a point there...

But wouldn't you agree that the Schroth Rallye harnesses are better than the 3 point OE for street use?

With or without roll over protection? And then of course you'd need the helmet, etc...


It boggles my mind how people can't comprehend that these things work together...

[DSP74]

Based on real world test data that I'm sure is out there on 3 point factory belts.....I'd probably take my factory belts in a street collision/street car.

[DCColegrove]

DOT says the're cool but if DOT helmets are not approved at track events, I wonder what to make from their testing on a restraint system. DOT headlamps also are approved, but damn do they suck.

Yes... You have a point there...

But wouldn't you agree that the Schroth Rallye harnesses are better than the 3 point OE for street use?

[Massive Lee]

They have been well tested and DOT says they're cool.

DOT says the're cool but if DOT helmets are not approved at track events, I wonder what to make from their testing on a restraint system. DOT headlamps also are approved, but damn do they suck.

[DCColegrove]

The Schroth Rallye belts work pretty well. (street)

The ASM (Anti Submarine) feature is simple and elegant. No worse than the OE belt.

They have been well tested and DOT says they're cool.

[Massive Lee]

Was there a reason why 4-point harnesses were banned from Motorsport 18 years ago? Hmmm. Submarining maybe. And Schroth little ASM gizmo won't keep your body from destroying itself under the lapbelt.

[rwh11385]

How do you guys feel about the 4 point Schroth Harnesses with ASM?

Do what you want. If you cripple yourself, I'll just say "I told ya so"

[JGood]

weld-in is obviously better but i left mine bolt-in for now because my car will be getting a full cage sometime in 2009 (probably in the fall), so I'd rather not weld the rollcage in and have to undo it.

Same reason here. I'm not happy enough with my mine to leave it and build off of, so I'm going to remove and start from scratch with a cage as soon as the funds are there.

[kishg]

I don't really think it's any more 'streetable' then my 6 point camlock harness. The anti-sub belts on my 6 point share a latch, it takes about .4 seconds to attach it.




Yeah, not to mention just getting the roll bar in or out is 1+ hour job (if you have someone to help you, if not it could take all damn day).

I would obviously recommend a weld in bar, but since mine isn't even a weld in I can't say too much...

weld-in is obviously better but i left mine bolt-in for now because my car will be getting a full cage sometime in 2009 (probably in the fall), so I'd rather not weld the rollcage in and have to undo it.

[JGood]

Yeah, the 4pt would be much more streetable and with a push button release

I don't really think it's any more 'streetable' then my 6 point camlock harness. The anti-sub belts on my 6 point share a latch, it takes about .4 seconds to attach it.

Pulling the entire interior all the time would get old and add unnecessary wear and tear.

Yeah, not to mention just getting the roll bar in or out is 1+ hour job (if you have someone to help you, if not it could take all damn day).

I would obviously recommend a weld in bar, but since mine isn't even a weld in I can't say too much...

[z31maniac]

^Yes, you got it with the edit. I was typing it from my iPhone then just decided to get on the computer here.

Yeah, the 4pt would be much more streetable and with a push button release, I keep my sport seat pretty upright so I bet a quality fixed back wouldn't be too uncomfortable for me.

Pulling the entire interior all the time would get old and add unnecessary wear and tear.

[JGood]

I meant with a 4pt bar.

As in 4pt harness, 4pt roll bar and fixed back seats.

the idea of stripping down the interior before and after every auto-x/hpde would get old.

Ya lost me. You're talking about NOT stripping the interior, then you're talking about installing a roll bar, fixed seat, & harness.

I guess that harness would work, but I don't see why you wouldn't just get a real 5 or 6 point.


EDIT: I think I understand what you're trying to say. You want to keep the roll bar, seat, and harness in the car full time, and want something safe for the street and track? amirite?

[z31maniac]

I meant with a 4pt bar.

As in 4pt harness, 4pt roll bar and fixed back seats.

[JGood]

How do you guys feel about the 4 point Schroth Harnesses with ASM?

Are you serious?

It's not worth risking. Get a safety package that WORKS. If you want that whole package to feel safer on the track, then do it, but get it all, install it at the same time, and install it properly.

But then again, there's some guys running 4 point harnesses to the base of the back seat with no bar whatsoever and R-comps... and somehow convinced their instructor it is fine.

\The chance of serious injury with harnesses and no rollover protection vs. a stock system just makes it not worth it to me.

I witnessed this 4 point bar save this poor guy at BIR. Notice how the roof is deformed around the bar? Saved the guys life IMO...

Car won't be accepted at BMWCCA HPDEs as it sports a harness and no rollover protection. Most clubs ban such set-up.

Like the guy who died in the past year tracking a cooper with 4 point harnesses and no roll protection.

Generally... Pick None or Pick Three:
Roll bar
Fixed back seats
Harness

People go with fixed back seats and 4 point harnesses for Auto-X and take a risk... but I like walking so no thanks. We've had someone flip a M3 LTW auto-xing... $4!# happens