E30 in SCCA

[DCColegrove]

Spec E30 runs with Nasa.

Here ya go:

http://www.spece30.com/

Thanks all useful...

I was wondering if there is one consolidated list of classes someplace?

( I'm kind of lazy)

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[rwh11385]

There is no mention of bushings in there though.

FWIW I remember seeing something in the factory manual. Whatever that is, is the ONLY allowed mods in stock...

Regardless who cares. Running in stock is for people who don't like to do anything to the car. That's probably not the case here.

Well, maybe stock class is for people who like to drive their cars rather than watch it sit on jackstands saving up for mods and spending months having blow struts rebuilt and measuring springs.

[DCColegrove]

Well, maybe stock class is for people who like to drive their cars rather than watch it sit on jackstands saving up for mods and spending months having blow struts rebuilt and measuring springs.

Just can't shut up can you?

You know what they say about people that have to point out everyone else's flaws don't you?

[rwh11385]

Just can't shut up can you?

You know what they say about people that have to point out everyone else's flaws don't you?

That they major in psycoooology?

What are you doing in this thread? Trying to push more bars? You are completely clueless about E30 classing and too lazy to even look at it, so see yourself out of it.

DSP is a good catch all for E30s, but D Stock is absolutely fine to start in and learn and have fun. Maybe if more people took notice that Alex S. spent years in a near stock E30 cone dodging rather than years making thread after thread of suspension setup, more people would be driving like him rather than trying to play catch up with just the car setup down. Driving styles are different and different setups work for different people.

Rather than DSP74 worrying about what other people tell him to do with an E30 or trying to measure everything out without having much seat time in an E30, he could be getting it together and feeling it out for himself. That would give him a much better starting place than staring at a car in the garage and asking if people can weigh four point harnesses.

But hey, it is a lot easily to bench race and seek out mods than just bit the bullet and do it.

[DCColegrove]

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that they major in psycoooology?

What are you doing in this thread? trying to push more bars? you are completely clueless about e30 classing and too lazy to even look at it, so see yourself out of it.

Dsp is a good catch all for e30s, but d stock is absolutely fine to start in and learn and have fun. Maybe if more people took notice that alex s. Spent years in a near stock e30 cone dodging rather than years making thread after thread of suspension setup, more people would be driving like him rather than trying to play catch up with just the car setup down. Driving styles are different and different setups work for different people.

Rather than dsp74 worrying about what other people tell him to do with an e30 or trying to measure everything out without having much seat time in an e30, he could be getting it together and feeling it out for himself. That would give him a much better starting place than staring at a car in the garage and asking if people can weigh four point harnesses.

But hey, it is a lot easily to bench race and seek out mods than just bit the bullet and do it.

[rwh11385]

I don't get it, besides you being worthless like always. I swear, if you weren't trying to sell something or post about your stressful personal life, you wouldn't post at all.

[DCColegrove]

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I don't get it, besides you being worthless like always. I swear, if you weren't trying to sell something or post about your stressful personal life, you wouldn't post at all.

Just keep capping on people... If that's what makes you feel good.

[z31maniac]

Sounds like a good detup DSP. Most of that you can do in STX; why not race in that class?

Because with a few exceptions any car can be in that class with the same mods and most of those cars would eat an E30 alive at anything above a regional level.

Let's take another DS car for example, ITR.

Do you really think an E30 would stand a chance against Integra Type-R that are both prepped to the level of the rules? Or a WRX?

[madformx5]

Ok guys this is my thread and I want you stop raging on each other. Thanks for the info.

[madformx5]

I bet an M50 or S50 would drive you to the mod class I am guessing. Anyone autox one of these?

[kishg]

I'll answer this question. Not much real testing. I'll admit. And anyone around here knows that. Following any of the threads I've started makes that obvious.
I do however have a grip on the basics of which some people are just to willing to ignore, and/or aren't aware of.
Common sense says that a car that transfers enough weight to pick inside front AND rear tires is WRONG. Either from transferring to much weight, or simply not applying basic common sense to setup issues. I've had this issue argued with me by someone who posted a picture of the "perfect 4wheel steering M3" () of theirs ON TWO WHEELS!

My research is based on 5 years of building and driving a full blow S/P car. One that received many iterations of systems, from suspension upgrades/setup changes to tire size/wheel size, gearing changes etc. Including compete suspension tear downs for TINY changes. For instance a tear down for an event to remove a 1/8 plastic bump stop spacer to increase wheel travel.

From about 01 until now I've owned, read, and resorted back to several suspension tuning, design and implementation. While not for the E30 I've viewed actual Koni/Bilstein/Penske shock dyno plots, Data aquisition plots, engine dyno graphs, Roll center locater/plotter software, and VERY OFTEN OVERLOOKED YET VERY IMPORTANT, pictures and videos. Of various cars as it applies to autocrossing.

I have been following BMW's since seeing Alex's car at various autoxes back in 02'. Since then I toyed with the idea of an E30 even before the sale of the Camaro. I've watched the BSP progression, into a competitive BSP car (before the rally cars) with great interest to the concepts involved in getting that car to the development stage it is/was at. I also had increased interest when a friend/shop owner purchased an E36 M3 that was initially intended as a SM car.

Since purchasing the E30-originally purchased with the intent of autoxing in it, My research has been exhuastive. I no longer desire to, nor have the means to go through several iterations of a setup to get it right. I prefer to do so the first try.
E30 research has included reference to Alex Schipkov, Garret Forkenbrock (E30Racer) and rsafier, and Kevin Henry's (hoyabmw) cars, along with conversations, and/or emails to 5 time national champ Sam Strano of stranoparts.com, bagillion time solo champ Bob Tunnel of Bimmerhaus, various bits of information from SEVERAL credible sources including BMW specific shop owner/tuners, as well as SEVERAL BMW competitors from BS, DS, ASP, BSP, DSP, FP, XP, and EM. Data points from phone conversations, e-mail conversations, forum conversations, second hand info from people who have inspected others car, to pictures of various events, surfaces, setups, etc, as well as videos with the same criteria.

I've been to almost every site, talked to almost every credible person involved, and along with all the data points, combined with basic knowledge of suspension setup drawn conclusions on my setup, as well as any other info I have to offer.

Thank you for reading-if you have read that far.

phew.. im almost tired reading that.. you've certainly done exhaustive research and i applaud you for it. but heeter has a point, nothing beats seat time. could you not have been driving the stock car all this time while you researched the perfect DSP e30?

[Jean]

I bet an M50 or S50 would drive you to the mod class I am guessing. Anyone autox one of these?

I will next season, drove the piss out of my m10 all of last year and half of this year..time to upgrade to m52 and dot-r tires ;)

[z31maniac]

I bet an M50 or S50 would drive you to the mod class I am guessing. Anyone autox one of these?

Yup, street mod.

[rwh11385]

phew.. im almost tired reading that.. you've certainly done exhaustive research and i applaud you for it. but heeter has a point, nothing beats seat time. could you not have been driving the stock car all this time while you researched the perfect DSP e30?

DSP74's approach is like having a suit altered to your specs before you even try it on...

[DCColegrove]

DSP74's approach is like having a suit altered to your specs before you even try it on...

That's kind of the whole approach of engineering isn't though?

Looks more like what he's done is some extensive research and once the resources come together for him, he'll have a well thought out and planned kick ass car.

But really... Where do you get off capping on people?