Spec e30 Legal?

[David Alejandro]

It's a spec series. They say what is allowed, and that's it. What did you expect?

They could SPECify a free length and rate! Not necessarily give one company a monopoly!
and getting a discount means you better be up toward the front of the pack....

[Lance Racing]

They could SPECify a free length and rate! Not necessarily give one company a monopoly!
and getting a discount means you better be up toward the front of the pack....

But then you get into having to test springs at the track, or at least worry about protests. Besides, springs are such a small expense in the build of a race car.

[David Alejandro]

But then you get into having to test springs at the track, or at least worry about protests. Besides, springs are such a small expense in the build of a race car.

This is true, but impound and protests are frequent in racing, and MONOPOLIES SUCK! It's not the cost that upsets me - it is the injustice...

[kishg]

This is true, but impound and protests are frequent in racing, and MONOPOLIES SUCK! It's not the cost that upsets me - it is the injustice...

injustice? it's not a democracy. spec rules exist to keep the costs low and the racing equal. you can always run in a non spec class and have more freedom for "justice".

[David Alejandro]

injustice? it's not a democracy. spec rules exist to keep the costs low and the racing equal. you can always run in a non spec class and have more freedom for "justice".

huh? completely illogical response. what does democracy have to do with justice? nothing! we live in a "democracy" and there is only justice, albeit somewhat limited, if you can afford to "lawyer up". as i stated before, there could be equality without monopoly, AND said equality would come with a lower price tag, due to competition between allowed vendors. :up: (this is called "free market", another interesting idea that does not really exist...)

[Moberg12]

huh? completely illogical response. what does democracy have to do with justice? nothing! we live in a "democracy" and there is only justice, albeit somewhat limited, if you can afford to "lawyer up". as i stated before, there could be equality without monopoly, AND said equality would come with a lower price tag, due to competition between allowed vendors. :up: (this is called "free market", another interesting idea that does not really exist...)

Good luck getting this rule changed. H&R Race end of story. If you don't like it play some where else!!

[David Alejandro]

injustice? it's not a democracy. spec rules exist to keep the costs low and the racing equal. you can always run in a non spec class and have more freedom for "justice".

Good luck getting this rule changed. H&R Race end of story. If you don't like it play some where else!!

I'm sure it will never get changed; it doesn't really affect me, I'm just pissing in the pool I don't swim in! :D and if I do ever race se30, I'll buy the damn H&R. I can't afford to race on two continents, and certainly not in both formula and spec, so until I sell my toys elsewhere, I'll just give people ulcers with my opinions of fairness, politics, and economics! (and actually the H&R are a fine product.. but that's OT)

[SimonH]

it is the injustice...

Seriously get a grip, you obviously don't understand the intent of spec parts and racing. You don't like it race in GTS.

[David Alejandro]

Seriously get a grip, you obviously don't understand the intent of spec parts and racing. You don't like it race in GTS.

i DO understand the intent. I also see a pattern of people defending what they are involved in, with no respect to logical thought. I understand that the rule book excludes litigation against se30 and nasa if you are a competitor, but it doesn't mean you have to bow to them as if they are gods.. Don't you people ever open your mouths? (except to excuse things you can't or aren't willing to change, of course...)
On the other hand, it does provide for hours of amusement whilst I am at work...

[Moberg12]

i DO understand the intent. I also see a pattern of people defending what they are involved in, with no respect to logical thought. I understand that the rule book excludes litigation against se30 and nasa if you are a competitor, but it doesn't mean you have to bow to them as if they are gods.. Don't you people ever open your mouths? (except to excuse things you can't or aren't willing to change, of course...)
On the other hand, it does provide for hours of amusement whilst I am at work...

Trust me the amusement goes both ways. Your logic is hilarious!!!

[David Alejandro]

Trust me the amusement goes both ways. Your logic is hilarious!!!

hey, that's what i do for a living! ;) glad to have been of service! this almost sounds contractual; can I bill for $300/hour?
read my original post in the thread...

[Moberg12]

hey, that's what i do for a living! ;) glad to have been of service! this almost sounds contractual; can I bill for $300/hour?
read my original post in the thread...

sure send it to

moberg at holdyourbreath.com

by allowing free length and rate you have taken all spec out of it.

[David Alejandro]

sure send it to

moberg at holdyourbreath.com

by allowing free length and rate you have taken all spec out of it.

"free length" is the length of the UNCOMPRESSED spring!!!!!!!!!!!!! I said SPEC the free length and rate!! That was an interesting interpretation of what was clearly stated! :giggle:

[Dillinger]

OMG what did I start?

[SimonH]

with no respect to logical thought

I won't comment further but lets look at your logical thought. You want to allow multiple suppliers for the same part in a spec series by spec'ing a spring rate for example. For what purpose I'm still not sure, freedom of choice? Availablity of parts? customer service? who knows. Have you thought how impossible that is to police. For one you would have to spec everything about the spring not just the spring rate, you would have to spec the length of coil, thickness, diameter essentially everything about the spring and then hope that everybody manufacturers that spring the same. At least with one company you can have some sort of comfort level that the part is relatively the same (the whole idea behind a spec series). Also how do you expect us to check parts. Am I supposed to just believe that you have the correct spec'd spring because company A said it was like the spec. Now I have to check peoples springs because they might not all be created equal. How the hell do I do that cheaply and easily without pissing off a bunch of racers. Then you will have people thinking others are cheating, and that spring A from Company A is an illegal spring etc etc. So just ignoring all that perhaps you could just tell us why you want a spec'd spring rate as opposed to a spring from one supplier. Please apply the same logic and reasoning you have shown in your other posts.