Gas Prices... WTF!!!

[ethrtyiS]

I'm squeaking by just like everyone else financially in California but I'm not going to complain about gas prices. If you don't like them, ride a bike. If your commuting is too far for a bike, carpool and split the cost of gas.

Our dependance on oil will never go away. No matter how hard they make it to pass smog, how high they raise the gas prices or whatever bullshit "green initiative" they want to put forward, we will always have fuel based vehicles driving around. That will never change.

Here's something to stir the pot though:

Diesel is a biproduct of gasoline, yet the price of diesel hasn't changed.

In reality, if the price of gas goes up, so should the price of diesel. but it hasn't. This leads me to believe that its 100% U.S. involvement that's causing the price increase. 90% of vehicles on the road are gas burning vehicles. The U.S. knows that they won't hurt enough people financially by raising diesel prices, ao they raise gas prices. This causes most of the population to consider electric or hybrid vehicles.

The hardest thing to swallow about the prices is that the cost of crude has gone down.

The easiest and most lucrative thing the government could do is make hybrid and electric vehicles affordable. People can hardoy afford to spend $20k on a civic let alone spend $45-50k on a prius.


Anyway, either pay for it or don't. We all know its the government controlling it anyway. If you want to lie to yourself about it, go for it.

I'll keep driving my gas guzzling e30 til they make it illegal. Ill probably still do it after that. lol


Taylor

well said taylor.

The fact of the matter is over time oil is going to get more and more expensive no matter who is running the country, as it will be harder and harder to get to the oil and there for more and more expensive to manufacture it. At some point people, my self included will have to realize that gas cars are on there way out, just like the hores before it. It's the way of things. I don't think that we will ever have to get rid of gas cars, but just like horses, I think they will be relegated to weekends, leisure time, and special events. What's wrong with that. Wouldn't you rather use your dream car for fun and baby it rather then drive it into the ground? The problem is finding a good replacement. I don't hunk electric cars are the answer, and hydrogen is not energy eficiant to produce for now. And what happens to all the old Ford Fiestas and Toyota Corolas that will be left dry on the side of the road by people who can not aford to fill them?
At some point the world will have to move forward. Gas is fun and I LOVE it, but its old tech and I think we can do better.
Untill then dot bitch about gas prices. If you want to keep your car laughs price, if not sell it and buy an Eco car.

gas shouldn't be going up anytime soon. we haven't even hit "peak" reserve yet. there is still so much oil that we have here we shouldn't be running out for a very long time. i agree we should find a better solution to oil, but that doesn't mean we should hinder the economy by slowing/stopping oil production which this country needs in order to boom and strive. the more production of oil, the more jobs are created, the prices of gasoline and consumer products will decrease causing more people to have the luxury to go out and buy more thus bringing our economy back again.

gas started getting very cheap after all the refineries the bush administration built, and under the current administration, most has stopped production. obama has even spoke about how raising gas prices would ween people off their vehicles and make the people use pt.

[E30_fiend]

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[LowR3V'in]

Really guys?!

An extra $6-$8 per tank is going to make or break you?

I fill up every 3-4 days. 91oct.
How much extra is that for just a month? :eeek:
enough for another fill up.

Obama is doing this.

[agent]

Wow. Reading all this make me glad I don't live on the left coast.

Using the BP station on the interstate closest to me as my reference, our local gas prices went from $3.79 earlier this week to $3.51 today.

[rhE-30]

You guys got it all wrong see.."the man", and I'm not talking the "O-man", I'm talking "the man" you can't see, those who really run how shit works....him....they...they want you to spend more of your money on something that just burns into nothing, rather than something that produces. Just step back and observe what all the big money is spent on... bullets, missiles, oil, fuel, the war machine. Put it together man... all that stuff just blows up into dust, and who keeps the money,...the wealth...not me, not you. It's a cycle and we're in it, keep your tin-foil hats near by, they work and your gonna need'em.

[ethrtyiS]

"what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things i have ever heard. at no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it."

anyways, the entire united states is run off of oil. do you think you can turn on your lights at night without oil? do you think you could buy your consumer products without oil? nope. everything in the us is oil based. it is the only way a civilization so advanced as ours can function. and this goes for the whole world pretty much. not just the united states.

[rhE-30]

"what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things i have ever heard. at no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it."

anyways, the entire united states is run off of oil. do you think you can turn on your lights at night without oil? do you think you could buy your consumer products without oil? nope. everything in the us is oil based. it is the only way a civilization so advanced as ours can function. and this goes for the whole world pretty much. not just the united states.

I was in most part joking around, but if you look at it all the things you mentioned are productive...things that money/oil should be spent on. The subjects in my incoherent rambling are not. The fact that we need oil to have an advanced civilization is true, and because we are advanced civilization (that we claim to be), we should understand that just because we have lots of _____ we should burn lots of ____. Fill in the blanks with what ever you want, money, oil, food, because one day we will run out and then what what? They'll still have the wealth, and we're left fighting for scraps, what better way to control an entire population than to have control of the cost of what allows them to be a civilized society, weather it's education or oil. Yeah this is incoherent rambling and your dumber now, and me, it's mostly the beer talking so don't take it seriously.

[rhE-30]

Watching stuff like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGk5ioEXlIM makes me think of stuff like that.

[Threehz]

After reading through this thread... I think I'm going to need to take five showers just to wash off just a little bit of the stupidity.

Oil is the only way our "advanced" civilization can function, really?

So that is why so many countries derive 80% to 100% of their energy needs from non-oil sources?

So creating nuclear, geothermal, hydro, solar, and wind power plants which is easily able to produce 100% of the US' power needs and reduce our reliance on foreign countries is dumb?

So electric vehicles which are cheaper to maintain and drive, faster, more powerful, more efficient, and will be as cheap if not cheaper than any ICE competitor by 2015 are dumb and not a real solution?

Paying anywhere from 1/10 to 1/20 of what we pay now to drive or track a car is obviously not what we want right?

I could seriously troll all day, are you all joking or are people this fucking retarded?

[LowR3V'in]

brainwashed.

[obrian]

"what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things i have ever heard. at no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it."

anyways, the entire united states is run off of oil. do you think you can turn on your lights at night without oil? do you think you could buy your consumer products without oil? nope. everything in the us is oil based. it is the only way a civilization so advanced as ours can function. and this goes for the whole world pretty much. not just the united states.

You must watch alot of Fox news.

[ethrtyiS]

I was in most part joking around, but if you look at it all the things you mentioned are productive...things that money/oil should be spent on. The subjects in my incoherent rambling are not. The fact that we need oil to have an advanced civilization is true, and because we are advanced civilization (that we claim to be), we should understand that just because we have lots of _____ we should burn lots of ____. Fill in the blanks with what ever you want, money, oil, food, because one day we will run out and then what what? They'll still have the wealth, and we're left fighting for scraps, what better way to control an entire population than to have control of the cost of what allows them to be a civilized society, weather it's education or oil. Yeah this is incoherent rambling and your dumber now, and me, it's mostly the beer talking so don't take it seriously.

i mentioned this earlier, but we are nowhere close to even hitting "peak" levels of oil. do you know what that means? it means that we still have over 75% of oil that can be used.

After reading through this thread... I think I'm going to need to take five showers just to wash off just a little bit of the stupidity.

Oil is the only way our "advanced" civilization can function, really?

So that is why so many countries derive 80% to 100% of their energy needs from non-oil sources?

So creating nuclear, geothermal, hydro, solar, and wind power plants which is easily able to produce 100% of the US' power needs and reduce our reliance on foreign countries is dumb?

So electric vehicles which are cheaper to maintain and drive, faster, more powerful, more efficient, and will be as cheap if not cheaper than any ICE competitor by 2015 are dumb and not a real solution?

Paying anywhere from 1/10 to 1/20 of what we pay now to drive or track a car is obviously not what we want right?

I could seriously troll all day, are you all joking or are people this fucking retarded?

i am not saying we should not look into other means of energy, i am simply stating that there is no need to completely start cutting oil, which can sustain us for many, many decades to come.

we can improve and create many great alternatives, but as of right now, we simply do not have the appropriate technology to have it completely take over nor can we continue to hinder the economy and create bigger gaps between the social classes.

so in the mean time, we must use the oil that we have plenty of and use that to lower the prices of everything. btw, most of those solutions you mentioned aren't any good, except perhaps the nuclear power. and as far as other countries, they aren't nearly as industrial developed as the us, china, and india are.

edit: oh and that's why electric cars are so expensive. the poor/working class can't afford them. so who does that hurt? the poor/working class.

You must watch alot of Fox news.

i don't watch tv, not to mention i don't even think i get that channel.

[Threehz]

Yeah so France, Germany, and Iceland are for example not even close to us in terms of industrialization, wait what?

We have more than the appropriate technology, and how do alternative and renewable energy sources hinder the economy and create a larger economic/social gap?

The world definitely has enough oil to keep on using it for the next few decades or so, but that's not even the biggest problem. If the world were to use the oil that we already have in reserves (as in not including all the oil still left in the earth) it will cause a 6°C+ increase in average temperature globally in the very best scenario without even including all other contributing factors. That means life ends on earth. I dislike that option.

Electric cars are expensive right now mostly because of battery technology (or lack of), but that is on the verge of turn. Lithium-ion batteries will be 1/4 or less of the cost they currently are by 2015, and a brand new battery has been created by a company with support of GM and the US government among other investors which has a energy to weight ratio that is more than four times that of the best lithium-ions at the moment. That means that electric cars with 1000 mile+ ranges are right around the corner, not to mention the opportunity for the racing industry.

Believing oil is even close to a viable solution is a great way to stretch the economic/social gap further while destroying the earth at the same.

On a less drastic note, I dig the E30 shirts.

[ethrtyiS]

as stated before, i am not saying oil should be the only solution. i am simply implying that we shouldn't cut down oil until we can use alternative energy to counter weight oil dependency. that, unfortunately, isn't anytime soon, so in the meantime we must allow the refineries that were stopped to continue to generate oil so that we can lower the prices of everything and bring the economy back up.

when alternate energy is up to par, then yes, start converting everything over and slowly ween ourselves of the oil dependency.

[!kid]