Gas Prices... WTF!!!

[stamar]

Oregon didnt experience this spike

but I filled up just in case.

my local station actually went down 6 c that day. But I think some stations raised as much as 20c in the regular chains.

[obrian]

i mentioned this earlier, but we are nowhere close to even hitting "peak" levels of oil. do you know what that means? it means that we still have over 75% of oil that can be used.


i am not saying we should not look into other means of energy, i am simply stating that there is no need to completely start cutting oil, which can sustain us for many, many decades to come.

we can improve and create many great alternatives, but as of right now, we simply do not have the appropriate technology to have it completely take over nor can we continue to hinder the economy and create bigger gaps between the social classes.

so in the mean time, we must use the oil that we have plenty of and use that to lower the prices of everything. btw, most of those solutions you mentioned aren't any good, except perhaps the nuclear power. and as far as other countries, they aren't nearly as industrial developed as the us, china, and india are.

edit: oh and that's why electric cars are so expensive. the poor/working class can't afford them. so who does that hurt? the poor/working class.


i don't watch tv, not to mention i don't even think i get that channel.

Well let me help you out a little, gas prices went up when that idiot Busch was in the office. Most of it has to due with the de regulation of Wall Street. And handing all the power over to the huge corporations that he workes for.
Obama has not closed any refinerys, we have not built one new refinery since the 70s. The oil and gas makeing process is all controlled by a couple of huge multinational corporations. They dont need anymore refineries to suck the rest of us dry.
The pipeline that you mentioned, it wont help the US with gas prices. All that tar oil they want to pipe to the Gulf coast, is to ship to other countrys. Not for gas production.
Any way we are all getting screwed.

[Threehz]

Is that the same green electric E30 that raped the brand new GTR and Tesla?

[TeaJhey]

I got to my usual cheap-o station that's usually 4.00 flat then when I noticed 4.50 I damn near lost it.

and yes an extra 6 dollars a tank makes or breaks you when you're on a budget.

[2ndName]

I got to my usual cheap-o station that's usually 4.00 flat then when I noticed 4.50 I damn near lost it.

and yes an extra 6 dollars a tank makes or breaks you when you're on a budget.

I fill up 3 cars a week, made me stop looking at gas prices...such as spirit killer.

[turge]

Well let me help you out a little, gas prices went up when that idiot Busch was in the office. Most of it has to due with the de regulation of Wall Street. And handing all the power over to the huge corporations that he workes for.
Obama has not closed any refinerys, we have not built one new refinery since the 70s. The oil and gas makeing process is all controlled by a couple of huge multinational corporations. They dont need anymore refineries to suck the rest of us dry.
The pipeline that you mentioned, it wont help the US with gas prices. All that tar oil they want to pipe to the Gulf coast, is to ship to other countrys. Not for gas production.
Any way we are all getting screwed.

So your an expert now? Lol.

The pipeline would help a lot by reducing gas prices if we make some more refineries. Second, California has laws in place to "regulate" the oil companies. Since those companies are being heavily taxed, the price goes up for the consumer. To truly lower gas prices in California, lower the taxes on the oil companies and provide benefits for refining in California.

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[Threehz]

The massive profit margins of oil companies really show how much of a burden that "heavy" taxation is and why they have to keep raising the prices of gas as the price of oil continues to fall.

Oil companies know they're going to be gone soon so they're sucking up as much profit as they can while people still think oil is a necessity for American life. The oil companies are scared and have good reason to be. The second enough people realize that electric cars deny oil companies the right to our hard-earned money and controlling our lives then they will fall, and they will fall quickly.

[obrian]

So your an expert now? Lol.

The pipeline would help a lot by reducing gas prices if we make some more refineries. Second, California has laws in place to "regulate" the oil companies. Since those companies are being heavily taxed, the price goes up for the consumer. To truly lower gas prices in California, lower the taxes on the oil companies and provide benefits for refining in California.

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No I'm not an expert, lol. Seems I know more than you, if you think the spike in pricing is because of taxes on the poor oil company's.
Tell me what the oil pipeline and a new refinery have in common? Thats why they want a new pipeline, because the refineries are on the Gulf Coast. Ever heard of cancer alley? Thats where they want to ship the Canadian oil. And then send it to China and India. All this stuff is easy to find out. GOP tv (fox news) just wont tell you this stuff.

[M-technik-3]

Well let me help you out a little, gas prices went up when that idiot Busch was in the office. Most of it has to due with the de regulation of Wall Street. And handing all the power over to the huge corporations that he workes for.
Obama has not closed any refinerys, we have not built one new refinery since the 70s. The oil and gas makeing process is all controlled by a couple of huge multinational corporations. They dont need anymore refineries to suck the rest of us dry.
The pipeline that you mentioned, it wont help the US with gas prices. All that tar oil they want to pipe to the Gulf coast, is to ship to other countrys. Not for gas production.
Any way we are all getting screwed.

So according to MSN, Fox and WSJ there have been quite a few refinery closing over the last 7 years.

This is a small blurb from a federal PDF prepared in 2010 since then more have have closed.

A decade ago, 158 refineries operated in the United States and its territories and sporadic refinery
outages led many policy makers to advocate new refinery construction. Fears that crude oil
production was in decline also led to policies promoting alternative fuels and increased vehicle
fuel efficiency. Since the summer 2008 peak in crude oil prices, however, the U.S. demand for
refined petroleum products has declined, and the outlook for the petroleum refining industry in
the United States has changed.
In response to weak demand for gasoline and other refined products, refinery operators have
begun cutting back capacity, idling, and, in a few cases, permanently closing their refineries. By
current count, 124 refineries now produce fuel in addition to 13 refineries that produce lubricating
oils and asphalt. Even as the number of refineries has decreased, operable refining capacity has
actually increased over the past decade, from 16.5 million barrels/day to over 18 million
barrels/day. Cyclical economic factors aside, U.S. refiners now face the potential of long-term
decreased demand for their products. This is the result of legislative and regulatory efforts that
were originally intended, in part, to accommodate the growing demand for petroleum products,
but which may now displace some of that demand. These efforts include such policies as
increasing the volume of ethanol in the gasoline supply, improving vehicle fuel efficiency, and
encouraging the purchase of vehicles powered by natural gas or electricity.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41478.pdf

[obrian]

So according to MSN, Fox and WSJ there have been quite a few refinery closing over the last 7 years.

I said Obama hasn't closed any refineries. The oil company's have, because of lack of demand they say. Probably just to drive up prices. Or maybee because whoever controls this stuff just said to.
But you know what? I rode motocross yesterday, rode bikes today, and am working on my turbo gas guzzling E30 tonight. I love my oil.

[M-technik-3]

I said Obama hasn't closed any refineries. The oil company's have, because of lack of demand they say. Probably just to drive up prices. Or maybee because whoever controls this stuff just said to.
But you know what? I rode motocross yesterday, rode bikes today, and am working on my turbo gas guzzling E30 tonight. I love my oil.

No he personally has not closed them... but his polices toward oil and development of US Domestic sources for energy are causing them to close.

Coal Belt is really feeling the pinch that the EPA is putting on them. All this BS about plug in electric....when was the last Nuke plant built in the US? 87 ish electricity has to come from some where and since we don't have a place to put spent fuel rods anywhere yet Nuke plants are closing down and guess what Electric plant driven by coal burning is driving up oh electricity.


I too like my cheap oil but greed is far to rampant in this country. I think that is more the cause as we know. Congress gets how much lobbiest money from big business. I have had many friends that think congress members should have labeles with % amounts on who they get slush money from to vote in their agenda's.

[smooth]

No he personally has not closed them... but his polices toward oil and development of US Domestic sources for energy are causing them to close.

How do you go and find information that directly contradicts your opinion, post the information, and then re-state the incorrect opinion all in a matter of two posts 30 minutes apart?

[!kid]

Is that the same green electric E30 that raped the brand new GTR and Tesla?

It also stomped on an M6 lol

[KillaCam]

http://alternativefuels.about.com/od/propan1/a/propaneconvert.htm

[Vivek]

Downtown Los Gatos (no I don't fill up here):